Understanding vs Control

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Post #44,954

7/9/02 5:55:36 PM

Understanding vs Control

Like you thought you'd get away without me interjecting my viewpoint. :)

"Understanding" is easy/impossible. That is where the simply "Truths" are.

That which is, is.

Control is when it gets complicated. The various rules for should/should not and how to tell the "good guys" from the "bad guys".

Post #44,960

7/9/02 7:30:10 PM

Control.____Hmmm___ a seed!

Good word / image. Extrapolation is fun -

I believe that there are always a very few around, who have grokked to fullness [is as good as any]. Believe also that these are invariably ones entirely disinterested in 'control' or any variant - that is, among the few who ever come to be noticed by many other people at all. Wisdom appears to be a nontransferable attainment.

Control implicitly imagines that ~ "one may 'understand' enough to devise a system, force people to abide by certain Boolean-like rules" - and you can call this life and, "a society". Yet in a world in which all our metaphors are about 'opposites', no such set of rules ever satisfies more than just 'most'; frequently a lot fewer - and people are changeable in their wants. So war is our constant vocation (and our model for a business and often.. for a social avocation too).

Organized religions are supposed to fill-in for the missing knowledge, thus the missing understanding. Having been devised by men, to attempt to soothe the angst of not Knowing - those too fail on all counts - including ignoring of the gender differences in certain innate qualities of homo-sap.

So I believe that the entire idea of 'control' is a chimera, is associated only with the crudest possible definitions of 'life': the struggle to get More than anyone around you, thus to accumulate indefinitely. ie Greed redefined as 'progress'.

And so it goes. Funny species, no?

Ashton
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too much right shift one Nation under G_d Brandi - (boxley) - (77) - June 29, 2002, 10:16:01 PM EDT

God helped build this country - (orion) - (76) - June 30, 2002, 08:30:06 PM EDT

In case you weren't following ... - (altmann) - June 30, 2002, 10:27:15 PM EDT

Good One, N. !!______ this was a "freebie", right? - (Ashton) - June 30, 2002, 10:43:42 PM EDT

This country was founded by people . . - (Andrew Grygus) - (71) - June 30, 2002, 11:41:33 PM EDT

..and that's a Fact: ___Freemasons. __ Most of the Biggies. -NT - (Ashton) - June 30, 2002, 11:58:58 PM EDT

Yes, people, but - (orion) - (63) - July 1, 2002, 10:50:21 PM EDT

You seem quite free in speaking for God. - (Andrew Grygus) - (59) - July 2, 2002, 01:44:24 AM EDT

Old Testament vs New Testament. - (static) - (20) - July 3, 2002, 02:09:22 AM EDT

start a thread, Ill be there -NT - (boxley) - July 3, 2002, 08:52:43 AM EDT

"wants creation to love him" -omnipotent, and so insecure?!? -NT - (CRConrad) - (18) - July 3, 2002, 03:01:26 PM EDT

Unfair! - (Ashton) - July 3, 2002, 04:20:45 PM EDT

"doesn't want creation to love him" -omnip, + so antisocial? -NT - (tseliot) - (16) - July 8, 2002, 12:57:58 PM EDT

"Omnipotence Means You Don't Have To Give A Shit" - (CRConrad) - (15) - July 15, 2002, 07:02:46 AM EDT

Keeper. -NT - (pwhysall) - July 15, 2002, 07:39:53 AM EDT

So now you're in my camp... - (tseliot) - (6) - July 15, 2002, 11:37:03 AM EDT

No, I'm not - *I* don't "punish" *my* ants for not loving me -NT - (CRConrad) - (5) - July 15, 2002, 11:39:31 AM EDT

'Taint "love" if'n it's done in fear of consequences of Not. - (Ashton) - (4) - July 15, 2002, 07:10:41 PM EDT

True enough. - (tseliot) - (3) - July 16, 2002, 12:11:32 PM EDT

Sorry,___ but those are Boolean options.____Again. - (Ashton) - (2) - July 16, 2002, 09:08:31 PM EDT

Then I expect you to be consistent. - (tseliot) - (1) - July 17, 2002, 02:10:07 PM EDT

Fair enough. - (Ashton) - July 17, 2002, 04:19:58 PM EDT

I see you're perpetuating myths again. - (static) - (6) - July 16, 2002, 12:12:43 AM EDT

So, why do you call yourself a "Christian", if... - (CRConrad) - (3) - July 16, 2002, 05:55:30 AM EDT

Don't put words in my mouth, CRC. - (static) - (2) - July 16, 2002, 07:57:26 AM EDT

Then *you* first refrain from doing so to *me*. - (CRConrad) - (1) - July 16, 2002, 09:08:53 AM EDT

Post rescinded. -NT - (static) - July 16, 2002, 10:43:27 PM EDT

More than just that - (orion) - (1) - July 16, 2002, 12:39:07 PM EDT

No need to perpetuate problems. - (Ashton) - July 16, 2002, 10:03:18 PM EDT

People are both bad and good - (orion) - (37) - July 4, 2002, 08:22:49 PM EDT

Fervor noted; it fails. But no, "they are not" - (Ashton) - (34) - July 4, 2002, 10:30:28 PM EDT

Pull your horns in, Ashton. - (static) - (4) - July 5, 2002, 12:03:56 AM EDT

Hmmm - seeing horns too - - (Ashton) - (3) - July 5, 2002, 03:41:26 AM EDT

I might have been in a less than charitable mood. - (static) - (2) - July 5, 2002, 08:10:56 AM EDT

Way I see it, hate the sin, love the sinner. - (orion) - July 5, 2002, 10:55:37 AM EDT

Yes, indeed. - (Ashton) - July 5, 2002, 05:44:08 PM EDT

Have not the heavens cried? - (orion) - (28) - July 5, 2002, 01:57:33 AM EDT

Re: Have not the heavens cried? - (Ashton) - (27) - July 5, 2002, 04:23:50 AM EDT

Still not me, you are still confusing me for others. - (orion) - (26) - July 5, 2002, 11:14:20 AM EDT

It's easy, actually. - (Ashton) - July 5, 2002, 05:18:14 PM EDT

Oh Ferfuxxake, learn to read bloody English, you moron! -NT - (CRConrad) - (24) - July 7, 2002, 05:46:08 PM EDT

Enlighten me. - (orion) - (23) - July 8, 2002, 12:45:19 AM EDT

Ashton uses an awful lot of words . . - (Andrew Grygus) - (21) - July 8, 2002, 02:56:42 AM EDT

Ironic - (ben_tilly) - (10) - July 8, 2002, 07:42:06 AM EDT

Doth the gentleman protest too much? - (Ashton) - July 8, 2002, 08:30:30 AM EDT

There lies a problem - (orion) - (5) - July 8, 2002, 09:02:05 AM EDT

Re: There lies a problem - (jb4) - July 8, 2002, 10:25:50 AM EDT

God would have no problem communicating his will. - (Brandioch) - (3) - July 8, 2002, 10:53:26 AM EDT

Brandi...how ironic! - (jb4) - July 8, 2002, 11:21:46 AM EDT

Brandi...how ironic! - (jb4) - (1) - July 8, 2002, 11:22:32 AM EDT

:) *smirk mode: on* - (Brandioch) - July 8, 2002, 01:26:05 PM EDT

Sin is defined by God? - (Andrew Grygus) - (2) - July 8, 2002, 10:13:43 AM EDT

Sin is defined - (orion) - July 8, 2002, 10:42:12 AM EDT

"as" versus "by" - (ben_tilly) - July 8, 2002, 08:19:10 PM EDT

Too lazy, but given your hint... - (jb4) - (1) - July 8, 2002, 10:18:03 AM EDT

Well, that might have prvailed "beyond the pale", but . . - (Andrew Grygus) - July 8, 2002, 11:06:26 AM EDT

There is nothing I* can say... - (static) - (7) - July 9, 2002, 07:25:19 AM EDT

I have my opinions . . - (Andrew Grygus) - (6) - July 9, 2002, 02:23:27 PM EDT

Too many words? - (Ashton) - (4) - July 9, 2002, 03:14:57 PM EDT

Perfect sense, but sounds too "esoteric". - (Andrew Grygus) - (3) - July 9, 2002, 03:43:38 PM EDT

As A. Einstein said, - (Ashton) - (2) - July 9, 2002, 04:16:44 PM EDT

Understanding vs Control - (Brandioch) - (1) - July 9, 2002, 05:55:36 PM EDT

Control.____Hmmm___ a seed! - (Ashton) - July 9, 2002, 07:30:10 PM EDT

Notes. - (static) - July 10, 2002, 03:30:39 AM EDT

Frankly, I don't think I can. I don't believe anyone can. - (CRConrad) - July 8, 2002, 10:38:40 AM EDT

Founding fathers - (JayMehaffey) - (1) - July 5, 2002, 03:27:16 AM EDT

OT: Unitarians - (snork) - July 9, 2002, 02:38:54 PM EDT

Declaration vs. Constitution - (altmann) - July 2, 2002, 03:20:38 AM EDT

The God of the Declaration is not necessarily Christian... - (ChrisR) - (1) - July 2, 2002, 10:29:25 AM EDT

I'd approx. buy that interpretation - - (Ashton) - July 2, 2002, 05:06:56 PM EDT

So THAT'S why... - (jb4) - (5) - July 3, 2002, 02:18:37 PM EDT

No relationship. - (Ashton) - (4) - July 3, 2002, 04:13:43 PM EDT

A fraternity, not a religion. - (orion) - (3) - July 4, 2002, 08:29:16 PM EDT

Nor will you see on that site - (Ashton) - (2) - July 4, 2002, 08:55:40 PM EDT

OTO, baby! - (Brandioch) - (1) - July 8, 2002, 01:19:10 AM EDT

You aren't supposed to! - (Ashton) - July 8, 2002, 08:07:43 AM EDT

Interesting God. - (Brandioch) - (1) - July 1, 2002, 01:11:32 AM EDT

In times of ___'things that go Bump in the night' - (Ashton) - July 16, 2002, 10:12:15 PM EDT

Dr. Ashton prescribes a nice warm cup of cloaca cocoa.
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