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7/8/02 1:19:10 AM

OTO, baby!

Meanwhile, back at the ranch...............

Here's a "history" of Freemasonry. I've been told more about it from a member. But I can't tell what is historical and what is myth.

[link|http://homepage.tinet.ie/~seanjmurphy/irhismys/templars.htm|Freemasonry]

It does tend to shed a slightly different light on the subject.

Post #44,725

7/8/02 8:07:43 AM

You aren't supposed to!

(be able to tell) :-\ufffd

That is, and for (I think) all obvious reasons: no group's "esoteric wing" is ever going to advertise its existence or generally even.. admit there is such a thing.

As with churches - most of the action and the pitches are about socializing; any 'philosophy' is cut & dried, with study groups for those who want some expansion of material.

Notice that in US - there is hardly ever any reference even to the word esoteric/hidden in connection with the popular religious Corporations (those with massive land and other property holdings).

Offhand, I think that the usual info about the Masons - as with the Sufis (say) tends to be predictably of two sorts: "it's just a fraternal order like the Elks" and/or "there are secret hierarchies.. too". Naturally (this being the US) it's assumed that wealth determines membership in these 'optional' castes. If there are any.

It's probably deemed just fine if - people imagine that there is little difference among UFO, Black Helicoper stuff and - any such orgs. (If there are such orgs. ;-) Catch 23: "those who say don't know; those who know don't say" is no mere slogan.

But one thing we can be Sure of, homo-saps being involved (!) is that - many more will say they know about ___ than know shit about anything - since so many folks love to be Seen to know stuff. [cackle]

(Makes 'research' a tad inconclusive, no?) My take is that, anyone with a literal mindset will find precisely what they Know is there: Nothing at all. But the real question is: for those who really wanted to find out if there is anything to discover .. (?)

Well, nobody ever said it was s'posed to be ez, now did they? Maybe it's just as well too; as with the Frank & Ernest cartoon in the diner:

Big Sign over a huge kettle, Do Not Stir the Soup. Frank asks the guy, "why not?". "Because Sir.. you would not like what you would see, Sir."

Ashton

what me worry?

too much right shift one Nation under G_d Brandi - (boxley) - (77) - June 29, 2002, 10:16:01 PM EDT

God helped build this country - (orion) - (76) - June 30, 2002, 08:30:06 PM EDT

In case you weren't following ... - (altmann) - June 30, 2002, 10:27:15 PM EDT

Good One, N. !!______ this was a "freebie", right? - (Ashton) - June 30, 2002, 10:43:42 PM EDT

This country was founded by people . . - (Andrew Grygus) - (71) - June 30, 2002, 11:41:33 PM EDT

..and that's a Fact: ___Freemasons. __ Most of the Biggies. -NT - (Ashton) - June 30, 2002, 11:58:58 PM EDT

Yes, people, but - (orion) - (63) - July 1, 2002, 10:50:21 PM EDT

You seem quite free in speaking for God. - (Andrew Grygus) - (59) - July 2, 2002, 01:44:24 AM EDT

Old Testament vs New Testament. - (static) - (20) - July 3, 2002, 02:09:22 AM EDT

start a thread, Ill be there -NT - (boxley) - July 3, 2002, 08:52:43 AM EDT

"wants creation to love him" -omnipotent, and so insecure?!? -NT - (CRConrad) - (18) - July 3, 2002, 03:01:26 PM EDT

Unfair! - (Ashton) - July 3, 2002, 04:20:45 PM EDT

"doesn't want creation to love him" -omnip, + so antisocial? -NT - (tseliot) - (16) - July 8, 2002, 12:57:58 PM EDT

"Omnipotence Means You Don't Have To Give A Shit" - (CRConrad) - (15) - July 15, 2002, 07:02:46 AM EDT

Keeper. -NT - (pwhysall) - July 15, 2002, 07:39:53 AM EDT

So now you're in my camp... - (tseliot) - (6) - July 15, 2002, 11:37:03 AM EDT

No, I'm not - *I* don't "punish" *my* ants for not loving me -NT - (CRConrad) - (5) - July 15, 2002, 11:39:31 AM EDT

'Taint "love" if'n it's done in fear of consequences of Not. - (Ashton) - (4) - July 15, 2002, 07:10:41 PM EDT

True enough. - (tseliot) - (3) - July 16, 2002, 12:11:32 PM EDT

Sorry,___ but those are Boolean options.____Again. - (Ashton) - (2) - July 16, 2002, 09:08:31 PM EDT

Then I expect you to be consistent. - (tseliot) - (1) - July 17, 2002, 02:10:07 PM EDT

Fair enough. - (Ashton) - July 17, 2002, 04:19:58 PM EDT

I see you're perpetuating myths again. - (static) - (6) - July 16, 2002, 12:12:43 AM EDT

So, why do you call yourself a "Christian", if... - (CRConrad) - (3) - July 16, 2002, 05:55:30 AM EDT

Don't put words in my mouth, CRC. - (static) - (2) - July 16, 2002, 07:57:26 AM EDT

Then *you* first refrain from doing so to *me*. - (CRConrad) - (1) - July 16, 2002, 09:08:53 AM EDT

Post rescinded. -NT - (static) - July 16, 2002, 10:43:27 PM EDT

More than just that - (orion) - (1) - July 16, 2002, 12:39:07 PM EDT

No need to perpetuate problems. - (Ashton) - July 16, 2002, 10:03:18 PM EDT

People are both bad and good - (orion) - (37) - July 4, 2002, 08:22:49 PM EDT

Fervor noted; it fails. But no, "they are not" - (Ashton) - (34) - July 4, 2002, 10:30:28 PM EDT

Pull your horns in, Ashton. - (static) - (4) - July 5, 2002, 12:03:56 AM EDT

Hmmm - seeing horns too - - (Ashton) - (3) - July 5, 2002, 03:41:26 AM EDT

I might have been in a less than charitable mood. - (static) - (2) - July 5, 2002, 08:10:56 AM EDT

Way I see it, hate the sin, love the sinner. - (orion) - July 5, 2002, 10:55:37 AM EDT

Yes, indeed. - (Ashton) - July 5, 2002, 05:44:08 PM EDT

Have not the heavens cried? - (orion) - (28) - July 5, 2002, 01:57:33 AM EDT

Re: Have not the heavens cried? - (Ashton) - (27) - July 5, 2002, 04:23:50 AM EDT

Still not me, you are still confusing me for others. - (orion) - (26) - July 5, 2002, 11:14:20 AM EDT

It's easy, actually. - (Ashton) - July 5, 2002, 05:18:14 PM EDT

Oh Ferfuxxake, learn to read bloody English, you moron! -NT - (CRConrad) - (24) - July 7, 2002, 05:46:08 PM EDT

Enlighten me. - (orion) - (23) - July 8, 2002, 12:45:19 AM EDT

Ashton uses an awful lot of words . . - (Andrew Grygus) - (21) - July 8, 2002, 02:56:42 AM EDT

Ironic - (ben_tilly) - (10) - July 8, 2002, 07:42:06 AM EDT

Doth the gentleman protest too much? - (Ashton) - July 8, 2002, 08:30:30 AM EDT

There lies a problem - (orion) - (5) - July 8, 2002, 09:02:05 AM EDT

Re: There lies a problem - (jb4) - July 8, 2002, 10:25:50 AM EDT

God would have no problem communicating his will. - (Brandioch) - (3) - July 8, 2002, 10:53:26 AM EDT

Brandi...how ironic! - (jb4) - July 8, 2002, 11:21:46 AM EDT

Brandi...how ironic! - (jb4) - (1) - July 8, 2002, 11:22:32 AM EDT

:) *smirk mode: on* - (Brandioch) - July 8, 2002, 01:26:05 PM EDT

Sin is defined by God? - (Andrew Grygus) - (2) - July 8, 2002, 10:13:43 AM EDT

Sin is defined - (orion) - July 8, 2002, 10:42:12 AM EDT

"as" versus "by" - (ben_tilly) - July 8, 2002, 08:19:10 PM EDT

Too lazy, but given your hint... - (jb4) - (1) - July 8, 2002, 10:18:03 AM EDT

Well, that might have prvailed "beyond the pale", but . . - (Andrew Grygus) - July 8, 2002, 11:06:26 AM EDT

There is nothing I* can say... - (static) - (7) - July 9, 2002, 07:25:19 AM EDT

I have my opinions . . - (Andrew Grygus) - (6) - July 9, 2002, 02:23:27 PM EDT

Too many words? - (Ashton) - (4) - July 9, 2002, 03:14:57 PM EDT

Perfect sense, but sounds too "esoteric". - (Andrew Grygus) - (3) - July 9, 2002, 03:43:38 PM EDT

As A. Einstein said, - (Ashton) - (2) - July 9, 2002, 04:16:44 PM EDT

Understanding vs Control - (Brandioch) - (1) - July 9, 2002, 05:55:36 PM EDT

Control.____Hmmm___ a seed! - (Ashton) - July 9, 2002, 07:30:10 PM EDT

Notes. - (static) - July 10, 2002, 03:30:39 AM EDT

Frankly, I don't think I can. I don't believe anyone can. - (CRConrad) - July 8, 2002, 10:38:40 AM EDT

Founding fathers - (JayMehaffey) - (1) - July 5, 2002, 03:27:16 AM EDT

OT: Unitarians - (snork) - July 9, 2002, 02:38:54 PM EDT

Declaration vs. Constitution - (altmann) - July 2, 2002, 03:20:38 AM EDT

The God of the Declaration is not necessarily Christian... - (ChrisR) - (1) - July 2, 2002, 10:29:25 AM EDT

I'd approx. buy that interpretation - - (Ashton) - July 2, 2002, 05:06:56 PM EDT

So THAT'S why... - (jb4) - (5) - July 3, 2002, 02:18:37 PM EDT

No relationship. - (Ashton) - (4) - July 3, 2002, 04:13:43 PM EDT

A fraternity, not a religion. - (orion) - (3) - July 4, 2002, 08:29:16 PM EDT

Nor will you see on that site - (Ashton) - (2) - July 4, 2002, 08:55:40 PM EDT

OTO, baby! - (Brandioch) - (1) - July 8, 2002, 01:19:10 AM EDT

You aren't supposed to! - (Ashton) - July 8, 2002, 08:07:43 AM EDT

Interesting God. - (Brandioch) - (1) - July 1, 2002, 01:11:32 AM EDT

In times of ___'things that go Bump in the night' - (Ashton) - July 16, 2002, 10:12:15 PM EDT

Keep up the good work. Those dark sides need more advertising.
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