Sin is defined by God?

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Post #44,737 by Andrew Grygus 7/8/02 10:13:43 AM Reply	Sin is defined by God? Personally, I'm pretty sure it's defined by man, since I've seen no signed and sealed statements from God that define sin, or Sin - so I'm stating my interpretation - not God's (unless I'm God, which is another matter entirely). [link\|http://www.aaxnet.com\|AAx]
Post #44,742 by orion 7/8/02 10:42:12 AM Reply	Sin is defined as disobeying God and his laws. Let me give you an example: The Perfect World (Garden Of Eden) Adam and Eve were told they could do anything, except eat the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil. What did they do? They disobeyed God and ate it anyway, in doing so, they Sinned. God did this to show that people will sin even in a perfect world, and that his other creations (Angels, Fallen Angels) would interfer even in a person world (taking the form of a snake). Perhaps you forgot the Ten Commandments written by God onto stone and handed to Moses? You know, the ones saying a lot of "Thou Shalt Not", etc. Like "Thou shalt not steal" "Thou Shalt Not Commit Adultry", etc, the ones that people ignore anyway. Breaking these commandments is a sin. Then there is Mosaic Law, etc. Without these, people are lawless and become btches and bstards and the world becomes Hell. *I am free now, to choose my own destiny.*
Post #44,830 by ben_tilly 7/8/02 8:19:10 PM Reply	"as" versus "by" I agree with you that our conception of sin is defined by man. But it is defined as something that is contrary to God's will. There is no contradiction, because lots of men presume to understand God's will. And lots more are willing to blindly accept, eg, the Judeo-Christian mythology. Cheers, Ben "... I couldn't see how anyone could be educated by this self-propagating system in which people pass exams, teach others to pass exams, but nobody knows anything." --Richard Feynman

too much right shift one Nation under G_d Brandi - (boxley) - (77) - June 29, 2002, 10:16:01 PM EDT

God helped build this country - (orion) - (76) - June 30, 2002, 08:30:06 PM EDT

In case you weren't following ... - (altmann) - June 30, 2002, 10:27:15 PM EDT

Good One, N. !!______ this was a "freebie", right? - (Ashton) - June 30, 2002, 10:43:42 PM EDT

This country was founded by people . . - (Andrew Grygus) - (71) - June 30, 2002, 11:41:33 PM EDT

..and that's a Fact: ___Freemasons. __ Most of the Biggies. -NT - (Ashton) - June 30, 2002, 11:58:58 PM EDT

Yes, people, but - (orion) - (63) - July 1, 2002, 10:50:21 PM EDT

You seem quite free in speaking for God. - (Andrew Grygus) - (59) - July 2, 2002, 01:44:24 AM EDT

Old Testament vs New Testament. - (static) - (20) - July 3, 2002, 02:09:22 AM EDT

start a thread, Ill be there -NT - (boxley) - July 3, 2002, 08:52:43 AM EDT

"wants creation to love him" -omnipotent, and so insecure?!? -NT - (CRConrad) - (18) - July 3, 2002, 03:01:26 PM EDT

Unfair! - (Ashton) - July 3, 2002, 04:20:45 PM EDT

"doesn't want creation to love him" -omnip, + so antisocial? -NT - (tseliot) - (16) - July 8, 2002, 12:57:58 PM EDT

"Omnipotence Means You Don't Have To Give A Shit" - (CRConrad) - (15) - July 15, 2002, 07:02:46 AM EDT

Keeper. -NT - (pwhysall) - July 15, 2002, 07:39:53 AM EDT

So now you're in my camp... - (tseliot) - (6) - July 15, 2002, 11:37:03 AM EDT

No, I'm not - *I* don't "punish" *my* ants for not loving me -NT - (CRConrad) - (5) - July 15, 2002, 11:39:31 AM EDT

'Taint "love" if'n it's done in fear of consequences of Not. - (Ashton) - (4) - July 15, 2002, 07:10:41 PM EDT

True enough. - (tseliot) - (3) - July 16, 2002, 12:11:32 PM EDT

Sorry,___ but those are Boolean options.____Again. - (Ashton) - (2) - July 16, 2002, 09:08:31 PM EDT

Then I expect you to be consistent. - (tseliot) - (1) - July 17, 2002, 02:10:07 PM EDT

Fair enough. - (Ashton) - July 17, 2002, 04:19:58 PM EDT

I see you're perpetuating myths again. - (static) - (6) - July 16, 2002, 12:12:43 AM EDT

So, why do you call yourself a "Christian", if... - (CRConrad) - (3) - July 16, 2002, 05:55:30 AM EDT

Don't put words in my mouth, CRC. - (static) - (2) - July 16, 2002, 07:57:26 AM EDT

Then *you* first refrain from doing so to *me*. - (CRConrad) - (1) - July 16, 2002, 09:08:53 AM EDT

Post rescinded. -NT - (static) - July 16, 2002, 10:43:27 PM EDT

More than just that - (orion) - (1) - July 16, 2002, 12:39:07 PM EDT

No need to perpetuate problems. - (Ashton) - July 16, 2002, 10:03:18 PM EDT

People are both bad and good - (orion) - (37) - July 4, 2002, 08:22:49 PM EDT

Fervor noted; it fails. But no, "they are not" - (Ashton) - (34) - July 4, 2002, 10:30:28 PM EDT

Pull your horns in, Ashton. - (static) - (4) - July 5, 2002, 12:03:56 AM EDT

Hmmm - seeing horns too - - (Ashton) - (3) - July 5, 2002, 03:41:26 AM EDT

I might have been in a less than charitable mood. - (static) - (2) - July 5, 2002, 08:10:56 AM EDT

Way I see it, hate the sin, love the sinner. - (orion) - July 5, 2002, 10:55:37 AM EDT

Yes, indeed. - (Ashton) - July 5, 2002, 05:44:08 PM EDT

Have not the heavens cried? - (orion) - (28) - July 5, 2002, 01:57:33 AM EDT

Re: Have not the heavens cried? - (Ashton) - (27) - July 5, 2002, 04:23:50 AM EDT

Still not me, you are still confusing me for others. - (orion) - (26) - July 5, 2002, 11:14:20 AM EDT

It's easy, actually. - (Ashton) - July 5, 2002, 05:18:14 PM EDT

Oh Ferfuxxake, learn to read bloody English, you moron! -NT - (CRConrad) - (24) - July 7, 2002, 05:46:08 PM EDT

Enlighten me. - (orion) - (23) - July 8, 2002, 12:45:19 AM EDT

Ashton uses an awful lot of words . . - (Andrew Grygus) - (21) - July 8, 2002, 02:56:42 AM EDT

Ironic - (ben_tilly) - (10) - July 8, 2002, 07:42:06 AM EDT

Doth the gentleman protest too much? - (Ashton) - July 8, 2002, 08:30:30 AM EDT

There lies a problem - (orion) - (5) - July 8, 2002, 09:02:05 AM EDT

Re: There lies a problem - (jb4) - July 8, 2002, 10:25:50 AM EDT

God would have no problem communicating his will. - (Brandioch) - (3) - July 8, 2002, 10:53:26 AM EDT

Brandi...how ironic! - (jb4) - July 8, 2002, 11:21:46 AM EDT

Brandi...how ironic! - (jb4) - (1) - July 8, 2002, 11:22:32 AM EDT

:) *smirk mode: on* - (Brandioch) - July 8, 2002, 01:26:05 PM EDT

Sin is defined by God? - (Andrew Grygus) - (2) - July 8, 2002, 10:13:43 AM EDT

Sin is defined - (orion) - July 8, 2002, 10:42:12 AM EDT

"as" versus "by" - (ben_tilly) - July 8, 2002, 08:19:10 PM EDT

Too lazy, but given your hint... - (jb4) - (1) - July 8, 2002, 10:18:03 AM EDT

Well, that might have prvailed "beyond the pale", but . . - (Andrew Grygus) - July 8, 2002, 11:06:26 AM EDT

There is nothing I* can say... - (static) - (7) - July 9, 2002, 07:25:19 AM EDT

I have my opinions . . - (Andrew Grygus) - (6) - July 9, 2002, 02:23:27 PM EDT

Too many words? - (Ashton) - (4) - July 9, 2002, 03:14:57 PM EDT

Perfect sense, but sounds too "esoteric". - (Andrew Grygus) - (3) - July 9, 2002, 03:43:38 PM EDT

As A. Einstein said, - (Ashton) - (2) - July 9, 2002, 04:16:44 PM EDT

Understanding vs Control - (Brandioch) - (1) - July 9, 2002, 05:55:36 PM EDT

Control.____Hmmm___ a seed! - (Ashton) - July 9, 2002, 07:30:10 PM EDT

Notes. - (static) - July 10, 2002, 03:30:39 AM EDT

Frankly, I don't think I can. I don't believe anyone can. - (CRConrad) - July 8, 2002, 10:38:40 AM EDT

Founding fathers - (JayMehaffey) - (1) - July 5, 2002, 03:27:16 AM EDT

OT: Unitarians - (snork) - July 9, 2002, 02:38:54 PM EDT

Declaration vs. Constitution - (altmann) - July 2, 2002, 03:20:38 AM EDT

The God of the Declaration is not necessarily Christian... - (ChrisR) - (1) - July 2, 2002, 10:29:25 AM EDT

I'd approx. buy that interpretation - - (Ashton) - July 2, 2002, 05:06:56 PM EDT

So THAT'S why... - (jb4) - (5) - July 3, 2002, 02:18:37 PM EDT

No relationship. - (Ashton) - (4) - July 3, 2002, 04:13:43 PM EDT

A fraternity, not a religion. - (orion) - (3) - July 4, 2002, 08:29:16 PM EDT

Nor will you see on that site - (Ashton) - (2) - July 4, 2002, 08:55:40 PM EDT

OTO, baby! - (Brandioch) - (1) - July 8, 2002, 01:19:10 AM EDT

You aren't supposed to! - (Ashton) - July 8, 2002, 08:07:43 AM EDT

Interesting God. - (Brandioch) - (1) - July 1, 2002, 01:11:32 AM EDT

In times of ___'things that go Bump in the night' - (Ashton) - July 16, 2002, 10:12:15 PM EDT

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