The President’s Taxes

Post #436,433 by malraux 9/27/20 7:15:45 PM 9/27/20 7:15:45 PM Reply	The President’s Taxes https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/09/27/us/donald-trump-taxes.html Regards, -scott Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson.
Post #436,436 by Andrew Grygus 9/27/20 9:10:33 PM 9/27/20 9:10:33 PM Reply	Velly Interestin, but . . . .. I have long presumed it was all a scam, these "miracle business wizard" things almost always are.
Post #436,437 by malraux 9/27/20 9:14:41 PM 9/27/20 9:14:41 PM Reply	I doubt it's going to move the needle any. Maybe a few people will think it's important that he actually is successful, but doubtful. It's more interesting from the standpoint of why he's so desperate to stay in power and how much he's trying to leverage the office for financial gain. Regards, -scott Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson.
Post #436,442 by Andrew Grygus 9/27/20 10:07:40 PM 9/27/20 10:07:40 PM Reply	No, his supporters don't have the brain power . . . . . to understand any of this. They certainly aren't going to read any of it. Perhaps more interesting are rumors that Putin is writing him off.
Post #436,438 by boxley 9/27/20 9:16:27 PM 9/27/20 9:16:27 PM Reply	he is an opm economist in practice camp on real estate .Put in a business that runs continuously in the red. Live high on the hog and write it off as expenses then when you make a tidy profit selling the underlying dirt, its break even. "Science is the belief in the ignorance of the experts" – Richard Feynman
Post #436,440 by rcareaga 9/27/20 9:39:57 PM 9/27/20 9:39:57 PM Reply	If Biden’s team doesn’t stockpile the ammunition for Tuesday …well, he needs to fire them. “Mister President [I would rather he just address his as Donald], millions of Americans pay far more than you do in federal income taxes. Many of them worry about where next month’s rent or mortgage payment is coming from. What do you have to day to these taxpayers? Suckers? Losers?” So many scandals times past have been, we are assured, enough to sink the Bismarck, but I think this one might actually disable the rudder. cordially,
Post #436,443 by boxley 9/27/20 10:27:09 PM 9/27/20 10:27:09 PM Reply	his comeback is predictable look how much taxes I pay to the feds and into medicare by hiring so many americans, So Joe, how much in taxes did Hunter Pay on all of the ukraine and chinse money he made because his dad was the vice president? How many jobs did he create with that money? No they dont want to go there "Science is the belief in the ignorance of the experts" – Richard Feynman
Post #436,444 by rcareaga 9/27/20 10:59:40 PM 9/27/20 10:59:40 PM Reply	Fuck off
Post #436,463 by boxley 9/29/20 12:30:05 AM 9/29/20 12:30:05 AM Reply	apparently rand is under the impression that if trump mentions hunter the debate moderators are allowed to run over, and duct tape trump to his chair and gag him. I dont think that is going to happen so fucking off is what I like to do but on my own schedule, not yours since the stanley cup has already been awarded I may watch the debates unless there is a bugs bunny marathon in progress at the same time "Science is the belief in the ignorance of the experts" – Richard Feynman
Post #436,445 by rcareaga 9/27/20 10:59:44 PM 9/27/20 11:00:56 PM Reply	dup Although, “fuck off” twice would not be inappropriate. Edited by rcareaga Sept. 27, 2020, 11:00:56 PM EDT Expand All History
Post #436,446 by Andrew Grygus 9/27/20 11:10:20 PM 9/27/20 11:10:20 PM Reply	And just how badly did Trump's relatives do . . . . . just because he is president? How many Americans did they kill with their total incompetence. How well did their business interests do? Just because they are relatives of Donald Trump.
Post #436,456 by boxley 9/28/20 3:22:11 PM 9/28/20 3:22:11 PM Reply	not the point, if Joe brings up the tax issue trump will start shovelling with both hands better to get him on policy or lack thereof As Peter noted below the drumpsters wont care. The trump haters wont care its the people in the middle who may not want to come out and vote is who Joe needs to target and get them to the polls in his favor "Science is the belief in the ignorance of the experts" – Richard Feynman
Post #436,457 by drook 9/28/20 3:47:25 PM 9/28/20 3:47:25 PM Reply	That's why "staying on message" doesn't work any more The electorate is too fragmented. Whether it was shrewd reading of the landscape, or he just got lucky and had the right style to take advantage, Trump's throw-everything-against-the-wall style works for this environment. If you could interview 100 of his followers and figure out what really mattered to them when they decided to drink the kool-aid, you'd probably get at least 50 different answers. He throws so much shit at the wall that people can pick and choose their reasons, and there's something there for everyone. For Biden, there's not going to be one message that resonates with "the undecided" because they've all got different reasons, too. (Though Trump is so polarizing I don't see how anyone can still be undecided about him, but that's a whole different psychology dissertation.) They need to hit on everything: the taxes, the campaign violations, the money to his family, the money to his businesses, the cozying up to dictators, the constant lying, etc. etc. etc. Suppose each Lincoln Project commercial makes 1% of viewers say, "OK, I've had enough," I'm sure they've got more than 100 spots by now. The challenge is getting undecideds to view them. -- Drew
Post #436,447 by Another Scott 9/28/20 1:27:37 AM 9/28/20 1:27:37 AM Reply	Didn't work for rMoney. https://twitter.com/OrganizingPow3r/status/1310395327472599040 We'll see. Cheers, Scott.
Post #436,449 by mmoffitt 9/28/20 9:07:40 AM 9/28/20 9:07:40 AM Reply	Sadly, I've already heard the comeback on the $750. "That's good! That means he's smart enough to use the tax laws to his advantage. I would, too, if I knew how to." Just shoot me. In the face and then the heart. bcnu, Mikem It's mourning in America again.
Post #436,450 by crazy 9/28/20 10:17:16 AM 9/28/20 10:17:16 AM Reply	It's even better I seem to recall, no I'm not doing the research, that his losses are associated with casino/hotel investments. He got many other people to invest in it. The loss wasn't even his money. But the contracts were written in such a manner that if there was a loss he got to claim it. Which meant other people's losses have been funding his tax abatements for the last 20 years.
Post #436,452 by pwhysall 9/28/20 10:58:07 AM 9/28/20 10:58:07 AM Reply	Right. We've been around this before. It doesn't matter what Trump supporters think about this. They're going to vote for him come what may. He could roll up to their house, shoot their dog, fuck their children, shit on their faces, before telling them that he's off to close the meat packing plant that's the only employer in the area, and they're still gonna vote for him. This is all about the floating voters, the soft middle who change their votes.
Post #436,455 by Another Scott 9/28/20 2:11:29 PM 9/28/20 2:11:29 PM Reply	+1 If it didn't matter, rMoney might have come much closer to defeating Obama. It may matter enough to get Team D another few US Senators and statehouses. The margins matter. Cheers, Scott.
Post #436,461 by rcareaga 9/28/20 10:19:35 PM 9/28/20 10:19:35 PM Reply	Back in the latter eighties I marveled …at the loyalty of Reagan voters. Had he raped a dozen Catholic schoolgirls on prime time television, his supporters would have swooned: “Isn’t he vigorous for a man of his age!” But he wouldn’t have, of course, and probably his partisans would not have countenanced such an outrage. Today? Forget shooting someone on Fifth Avenue, there is nothing Trump might do, including ceding Alaska to Russia, that would peel away his 40% of feral voters. (shakes head),
Post #436,462 by rcareaga 9/28/20 10:19:39 PM 9/28/20 10:20:30 PM Reply	another dup for some reason Edited by rcareaga Sept. 28, 2020, 10:20:30 PM EDT Expand All History
Post #436,465 by mmoffitt 9/29/20 8:41:59 AM 9/29/20 8:41:59 AM Reply	I understand that. Do you understand how deeply troubling it is for me to know that 40% of my countrymen think like that? They're not all going away after the election. (Although, with any luck, a goodly percentage of them will die from Covid-19 and not take too many non-Republicans with them). bcnu, Mikem It's mourning in America again.
Post #436,503 by crazy 9/30/20 6:08:17 PM 9/30/20 6:08:17 PM Reply	I've dealt with that 40% my whole life And so have you. It's the left hand side of the bell curve. You often attributed it to America versus the other cultures you were exposed to. The 40% is in those other cultures as well. Since I'm a fake white I often get both extremes. People think my last name is German. So then I get the Holocaust jokes but they think I'm part of the in-group for the joke. Then I ream the person telling the joke and then they hate me and I'm definitely on the outside. They'll continue their jokes with the inside and glance at me. They are looking to see how much pain they can inflict. This has been an ongoing balance in every job or social situation I've ever been in unless the social situation was specific to my religion. Since I got to choose my coworkers for many years the vast majority of my job interaction was people on the other side of that bell curve. But that's not day to day interaction with the general public. At that certainly not 90% of the random workers you will experience. I don't think the 40% will ever go away. They are not trainable, they don't care, and they want to inflict pain. Morons will always be there.
Post #436,505 by mmoffitt 10/1/20 9:36:49 AM 10/1/20 9:36:49 AM Reply	I understand what you're saying, but I maintain it is worse in the US. My aviation mechanic and good friend likes to point out that, "No matter how you define intelligence, half the people are below average." I do want to thank you for something you mentioned in your post. You wrote, "Since I got to choose my coworkers for many years the vast majority of my job interaction was people on the other side of that bell curve." I never thought about my own bubble before reading that, but I, too, have not spent very much of my work life around folks who were on the left side of the curve. Further, even as a child, with my father being an academic and my mother being a nurse, our family interactions with others rarely involved spending any time with anyone "on the left side of the curve." Yet, I maintain that people in the U.S. are worse than people in other countries. And, at least since Ronnie Reagan, they have outsized representation in our government (Aside: The senators in the majority represent some 15 million fewer Americans than do those in the minority). Which is a real tragedy because our government in many ways is the face we present to the rest of the world. So, what's my evidence that it's better elsewhere other than personal experience? Here's some. And Trump's disapproval rating brings down the entire nation's reputation. Before the Trump era, public opinion of the U.S. remained steadily north of 50 percent in most countries — with the exception of the early 2000s, when President George W. Bush waged an unpopular war in Iraq. In the new survey, the U.S.’s median approval rating among the 13 countries was 34 percent. https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/15/us/elections/world-opinion-of-the-us-and-trump-is-in-a-tailspin-as-the-pandemic-persists-a-pew-poll-finds.html bcnu, Mikem It's mourning in America again.
Post #436,507 by boxley 10/1/20 11:19:03 AM 10/1/20 11:19:03 AM Reply	betcha not too many chinese participated in that poll "Science is the belief in the ignorance of the experts" – Richard Feynman
Post #436,441 by drook 9/27/20 9:58:51 PM 9/27/20 9:58:51 PM Reply	Best case, he pisses off the civil service lifers Sure, he'll call them the deep state, but if enough of them get sick of his shit he'll learn about the death of a thousand paper cuts. His supporters won't care. -- Drew

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