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New If Biden’s team doesn’t stockpile the ammunition for Tuesday
…well, he needs to fire them. “Mister President [I would rather he just address his as Donald], millions of Americans pay far more than you do in federal income taxes. Many of them worry about where next month’s rent or mortgage payment is coming from. What do you have to day to these taxpayers? Suckers? Losers?”

So many scandals times past have been, we are assured, enough to sink the Bismarck, but I think this one might actually disable the rudder.

cordially,
New his comeback is predictable
look how much taxes I pay to the feds and into medicare by hiring so many americans, So Joe, how much in taxes did Hunter Pay on all of the ukraine and chinse money he made because his dad was the vice president? How many jobs did he create with that money?

No they dont want to go there
"Science is the belief in the ignorance of the experts" – Richard Feynman
New Fuck off
New apparently rand is under the impression that if trump mentions hunter the debate moderators
are allowed to run over, and duct tape trump to his chair and gag him. I dont think that is going to happen so fucking off is what I like to do but on my own schedule, not yours
since the stanley cup has already been awarded I may watch the debates unless there is a bugs bunny marathon in progress at the same time
"Science is the belief in the ignorance of the experts" – Richard Feynman
New dup
Although, “fuck off” twice would not be inappropriate.
Expand Edited by rcareaga Sept. 27, 2020, 11:00:56 PM EDT
New And just how badly did Trump's relatives do . . .
. . just because he is president? How many Americans did they kill with their total incompetence. How well did their business interests do? Just because they are relatives of Donald Trump.
New not the point, if Joe brings up the tax issue trump will start shovelling with both hands
better to get him on policy or lack thereof
As Peter noted below the drumpsters wont care. The trump haters wont care its the people in the middle who may not want to come out and vote is who Joe needs to target and get them to the polls in his favor
"Science is the belief in the ignorance of the experts" – Richard Feynman
New That's why "staying on message" doesn't work any more
The electorate is too fragmented. Whether it was shrewd reading of the landscape, or he just got lucky and had the right style to take advantage, Trump's throw-everything-against-the-wall style works for this environment.

If you could interview 100 of his followers and figure out what really mattered to them when they decided to drink the kool-aid, you'd probably get at least 50 different answers. He throws so much shit at the wall that people can pick and choose their reasons, and there's something there for everyone.

For Biden, there's not going to be one message that resonates with "the undecided" because they've all got different reasons, too. (Though Trump is so polarizing I don't see how anyone can still be undecided about him, but that's a whole different psychology dissertation.) They need to hit on everything: the taxes, the campaign violations, the money to his family, the money to his businesses, the cozying up to dictators, the constant lying, etc. etc. etc.

Suppose each Lincoln Project commercial makes 1% of viewers say, "OK, I've had enough," I'm sure they've got more than 100 spots by now. The challenge is getting undecideds to view them.
--

Drew
New Didn't work for rMoney.
New Sadly, I've already heard the comeback on the $750.
"That's good! That means he's smart enough to use the tax laws to his advantage. I would, too, if I knew how to."

Just shoot me. In the face and then the heart.
bcnu,
Mikem

It's mourning in America again.
New It's even better
I seem to recall, no I'm not doing the research, that his losses are associated with casino/hotel investments. He got many other people to invest in it. The loss wasn't even his money.

But the contracts were written in such a manner that if there was a loss he got to claim it. Which meant other people's losses have been funding his tax abatements for the last 20 years.
New Right. We've been around this before.
It doesn't matter what Trump supporters think about this. They're going to vote for him come what may. He could roll up to their house, shoot their dog, fuck their children, shit on their faces, before telling them that he's off to close the meat packing plant that's the only employer in the area, and they're still gonna vote for him.

This is all about the floating voters, the soft middle who change their votes.
New +1
If it didn't matter, rMoney might have come much closer to defeating Obama.

It may matter enough to get Team D another few US Senators and statehouses. The margins matter.

Cheers,
Scott.
New Back in the latter eighties I marveled
…at the loyalty of Reagan voters. Had he raped a dozen Catholic schoolgirls on prime time television, his supporters would have swooned: “Isn’t he vigorous for a man of his age!” But he wouldn’t have, of course, and probably his partisans would not have countenanced such an outrage. Today? Forget shooting someone on Fifth Avenue, there is nothing Trump might do, including ceding Alaska to Russia, that would peel away his 40% of feral voters.

(shakes head),
New another dup
for some reason
Expand Edited by rcareaga Sept. 28, 2020, 10:20:30 PM EDT
New I understand that.
Do you understand how deeply troubling it is for me to know that 40% of my countrymen think like that? They're not all going away after the election. (Although, with any luck, a goodly percentage of them will die from Covid-19 and not take too many non-Republicans with them).
bcnu,
Mikem

It's mourning in America again.
New I've dealt with that 40% my whole life
And so have you. It's the left hand side of the bell curve. You often attributed it to America versus the other cultures you were exposed to. The 40% is in those other cultures as well.

Since I'm a fake white I often get both extremes. People think my last name is German. So then I get the Holocaust jokes but they think I'm part of the in-group for the joke. Then I ream the person telling the joke and then they hate me and I'm definitely on the outside. They'll continue their jokes with the inside and glance at me. They are looking to see how much pain they can inflict.

This has been an ongoing balance in every job or social situation I've ever been in unless the social situation was specific to my religion.

Since I got to choose my coworkers for many years the vast majority of my job interaction was people on the other side of that bell curve. But that's not day to day interaction with the general public. At that certainly not 90% of the random workers you will experience.

I don't think the 40% will ever go away. They are not trainable, they don't care, and they want to inflict pain.

Morons will always be there.
New I understand what you're saying, but I maintain it is worse in the US.
My aviation mechanic and good friend likes to point out that, "No matter how you define intelligence, half the people are below average."

I do want to thank you for something you mentioned in your post. You wrote, "Since I got to choose my coworkers for many years the vast majority of my job interaction was people on the other side of that bell curve." I never thought about my own bubble before reading that, but I, too, have not spent very much of my work life around folks who were on the left side of the curve. Further, even as a child, with my father being an academic and my mother being a nurse, our family interactions with others rarely involved spending any time with anyone "on the left side of the curve."

Yet, I maintain that people in the U.S. are worse than people in other countries. And, at least since Ronnie Reagan, they have outsized representation in our government (Aside: The senators in the majority represent some 15 million *fewer* Americans than do those in the minority). Which is a real tragedy because our government in many ways is the face we present to the rest of the world.

So, what's my evidence that it's better elsewhere other than personal experience?

Here's some.



And Trump's disapproval rating brings down the entire nation's reputation.

Before the Trump era, public opinion of the U.S. remained steadily north of 50 percent in most countries — with the exception of the early 2000s, when President George W. Bush waged an unpopular war in Iraq. In the new survey, the U.S.’s median approval rating among the 13 countries was 34 percent.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/15/us/elections/world-opinion-of-the-us-and-trump-is-in-a-tailspin-as-the-pandemic-persists-a-pew-poll-finds.html
bcnu,
Mikem

It's mourning in America again.
New betcha not too many chinese participated in that poll
"Science is the belief in the ignorance of the experts" – Richard Feynman
     The President’s Taxes - (malraux) - (24)
         Velly Interestin, but . . . - (Andrew Grygus) - (3)
             I doubt it's going to move the needle any. - (malraux) - (1)
                 No, his supporters don't have the brain power . . . - (Andrew Grygus)
             he is an opm economist in practice - (boxley)
         If Biden’s team doesn’t stockpile the ammunition for Tuesday - (rcareaga) - (18)
             his comeback is predictable - (boxley) - (17)
                 Fuck off -NT - (rcareaga) - (1)
                     apparently rand is under the impression that if trump mentions hunter the debate moderators - (boxley)
                 dup - (rcareaga)
                 And just how badly did Trump's relatives do . . . - (Andrew Grygus) - (2)
                     not the point, if Joe brings up the tax issue trump will start shovelling with both hands - (boxley) - (1)
                         That's why "staying on message" doesn't work any more - (drook)
                 Didn't work for rMoney. - (Another Scott) - (10)
                     Sadly, I've already heard the comeback on the $750. - (mmoffitt) - (9)
                         It's even better - (crazy)
                         Right. We've been around this before. - (pwhysall) - (7)
                             +1 - (Another Scott)
                             Back in the latter eighties I marveled - (rcareaga)
                             another dup - (rcareaga)
                             I understand that. - (mmoffitt) - (3)
                                 I've dealt with that 40% my whole life - (crazy) - (2)
                                     I understand what you're saying, but I maintain it is worse in the US. - (mmoffitt) - (1)
                                         betcha not too many chinese participated in that poll -NT - (boxley)
         Best case, he pisses off the civil service lifers - (drook)

I am so upset that this clown of a woman figured out my SUPER PLAN TO SCAM MILLIONS FROM THE UNKNOWING BEANIE WORLD!
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