Re: I was doing all that years before

Post #405,983 by malraux 11/5/15 9:52:08 AM Reply	Re: I was doing all that years before And all three things you mention are BUSINESS tools that have nothing to do with creating software or being a developer. I work on site, and have for the past couple of decades. I've had all of Lync, WebEx, Skype, and Hangouts installed on both my work and personal machines at some point or another in support of creating software and developing. Get with the times, and work on your attitude. All of that comes through in both subtle and not so subtle cues when you are being interviewed. And like Peter said, quit being such a damned racist. Regards, -scott Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson.
Post #405,999 by lincoln 11/5/15 4:19:09 PM Reply	Re: I was doing all that years before installed on both my work and personal machines at some point or another in support of creating software and developing. How did you use these on your home computer? How did you be a better developer using communication software - we're not talking about code development tools like Visual Studio or Eclipse. Satan (impatiently) to Newcomer: The trouble with you Chicago people is, that you think you are the best people down here; whereas you are merely the most numerous. - - - Mark Twain, "Pudd'nhead Wilson's New Calendar" 1897
Post #406,005 by pwhysall 11/5/15 7:05:39 PM Reply	Development is more than just the code It's about participation in regular and frequent meetings - both with the whole team and subsections thereof. A meeting can be anything from the daily stand-up to three people getting together to talk through a problem. These meetings are often held electronically even if the people are in the same office, because using (say) Lync makes it trivially easy to share your screen and pass control to someone, which is much better than having them dictate or explain something - they can just go right ahead and do it. Developers regularly present - from technical "My fix to $bigproblem. Here's the code, let's walk through it" presentations, to actual PowerPoint slides presenting business cases for new gear, tools, whatever. Again, the tools facilitate this.
Post #406,040 by lincoln 11/6/15 10:36:31 AM Reply	How often do you attend these meetings from home, after hours, using your own personal computer? Isn't your employer part of the 21st Century, where they give you a laptop with all of their software pre-installed, that they expect you to take home and use on their premises, to do your job? And if there's a problem with it, aren't they responsible for fixing their property? If not, why are you working for a Ludditte company? Satan (impatiently) to Newcomer: The trouble with you Chicago people is, that you think you are the best people down here; whereas you are merely the most numerous. - - - Mark Twain, "Pudd'nhead Wilson's New Calendar" 1897
Post #406,042 by pwhysall 11/6/15 10:46:33 AM Reply	Stop right there. Staaaaaaahp. I'm not asking your opinion, here. I'm telling you how it is, in a company that employs a lot of developers. I'm telling you what you'd need to be able to do and talk about just to be able to get an interview. I work in biz dev, but I'm often involved in interviews because I'm a people person, and exactly because I'm not inclined to get into the minutiae of technical matters. I've been here a long time and I know who's going to fit and who isn't. So you can dismiss my experience and opinion, because I'm not a developer, irrespective of my input into the hiring process. On the other hand, Scott A is 100% exactly what you're trying to be and do; further, he's the guy who'd be interviewing you and making the final hire/no hire decision. And he's saying the exact same things that I am. You're pissing into the wind. Unsurprisingly, this is resulting in you being covered in piss.
Post #406,011 by malraux 11/5/15 10:39:10 PM Reply	Because being a developer requires communication. All of these tools were used to keep me in contact with business people (the source of requirements, without which you have nothing to develop), my employees, my managers, and other developers. As someone else pointed out, there's much more to development beyond slinging code. At one of my previous jobs the Head of Technology (my manager) had to occasionally travel for more than a few days at a time. He held his meetings over Skype, and we were glad to have the face-to-face time with him instead of a phone call or email. At another job we used Lync to communicate with a designer located in another state. At yet another job I had a number of meetings with vendors and engineers via Webex. At my current job we occasionally have stand-ups using Hangouts or HipChat when one of my team can't make it into the office. And I don't know how to answer "how did you use these on your home computer"... I installed them, I clicked the icon, I signed in, I used them. I suspect that's not the thrust of your question, however. I'm a Head of Technology, Lincoln. I've been a Chief Software Architect twice, a development manager, and a lead software engineer. Currently I still architect and code in addition to my managerial and operational duties. Anyone I was considering hiring who complained about having to install communication software would quickly be branded as someone who was difficult to work with and a probable disruptive employee. You might take the advice of someone who has been in both your position as well as the position of the people you would like to hire you. Just a thought. Regards, -scott Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson.

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