He bet on himself to win.
![]() He bet on himself to win. |
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![]() which gave him the opportunity to manipulate the lineup to favor his bets. Satan (impatiently) to Newcomer: The trouble with you Chicago people is, that you think you are the best people down here; whereas you are merely the most numerous. - - - Mark Twain, "Pudd'nhead Wilson's New Calendar" 1897 |
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![]() "Manipulate" the lineup to push them to win. What would you have him do otherwise? |
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![]() I've never understood why betting on yourself to win was considered so bad. -- Drew |
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![]() Gambling that isn't among friends seems to me to invite all kinds of corruption. It's bad news. Rose knew the rules - he can live with the consequences. Cheers, Scott. |
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![]() Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free American and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 59 years. meep |
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![]() As soon as the home team is up by 1 in the ninth it's over. -- Drew |
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![]() They seem to have a point spread for baseball. https://www.bet-at-home.com/en/sport Their web page doesn't seem to want users to be able to use direct links. On the left, click: Baseball - USA - MLB They seem to have a variety of bet types. On the main part of the page, click the "Spread" tab and you can see the point spread for the various games today. I don't know enough about this stuff to know if it applies to the things Rose is suspected of doing. I just thought I'd throw it out there in case anyone is interested. Cheers, Scott. |
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![]() and that is definitely wrong in so many ways. Satan (impatiently) to Newcomer: The trouble with you Chicago people is, that you think you are the best people down here; whereas you are merely the most numerous. - - - Mark Twain, "Pudd'nhead Wilson's New Calendar" 1897 |
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![]() -- Drew |
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![]() what does that say about your confidence in them, not to mention that you're the guy in charge who can make whatever moves necessary to help ensure they lose and you win the bet? Satan (impatiently) to Newcomer: The trouble with you Chicago people is, that you think you are the best people down here; whereas you are merely the most numerous. - - - Mark Twain, "Pudd'nhead Wilson's New Calendar" 1897 |
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![]() I don't recall anyone of accusing him of betting against his team. Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free American and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 59 years. meep |
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![]() that's what I remembered:
http://seanlahman.com/files/rose/rose-faq.html Then again, this is as close to betting against your team as you can come without actually doing so:
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/03/16/sports/baseball/16chass.html?_r=0 Not betting on your team to win when a certain pitcher is starting is damn near the same thing as betting against your team when that guy is pitching, especially when you're betting on the Reds to win almost every other game. Satan (impatiently) to Newcomer: The trouble with you Chicago people is, that you think you are the best people down here; whereas you are merely the most numerous. - - - Mark Twain, "Pudd'nhead Wilson's New Calendar" 1897 |
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![]() Really, 1st making an unsubstantiated accusation then stating how wrong it is, what the f is wrong with you? |
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![]() http://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2014/08/why-pete-rose-still-cant-be-absolved/378866/ I haven't been able to Google proof that he bet against his own team so I withdraw the claim that he did so. However, as the above story shows, how much he bet on his team to win signaled to the bookies his confidence level regarding the team's chances in that game:
Also, read the Dowd report for much more information: http://thedowdreport.com/ Satan (impatiently) to Newcomer: The trouble with you Chicago people is, that you think you are the best people down here; whereas you are merely the most numerous. - - - Mark Twain, "Pudd'nhead Wilson's New Calendar" 1897 |
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![]() I'm sure bookies watch interviews with coaches/managers before games and parse what they say to figure out how confident they are. "But they're doing that to signal to their players and the other team what they want them to believe." And couldn't that also be true of betting patterns? So he didn't bet when certain pitchers were up. Probably because he knew they didn't win as often. Don't bookies have access to won/lost records, too? The one possible accusation is that he would schedule a stronger pitcher in a mathematically unimportant late-season game rather than saving him for a division rival later in the week. But considering the bonuses teams usually get for post-season appearances, those would have to be pretty big bets to change his scheduling. -- Drew |
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![]() I find it telling that you found it and used it after your previous argument was so easily discounted. Basically, you had a viewpoint based on assumptions, found the assumptions were invalid, then dug for someone else's opinion (not fact, opinion) that would help support your original viewpoint. Note: as drook pointed out, reading the patterns MAY indicate something is up, or that the game could be manipulated. But it is all supposition. I don't really care either way, since it is entertainment, and I have no stake in it. I just hate when people badmouth other people based on assumptions. That is worth fighting over. |
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![]() I thought that I had heard he bet both ways. I posted that I didn't find proof that he did that. Satan (impatiently) to Newcomer: The trouble with you Chicago people is, that you think you are the best people down here; whereas you are merely the most numerous. - - - Mark Twain, "Pudd'nhead Wilson's New Calendar" 1897 |