and that is definitely wrong in so many ways.
He probably also bet against them at times
and that is definitely wrong in so many ways. Satan (impatiently) to Newcomer: The trouble with you Chicago people is, that you think you are the best people down here; whereas you are merely the most numerous. - - - Mark Twain, "Pudd'nhead Wilson's New Calendar" 1897 |
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Based on what?
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If you bet against your own people
what does that say about your confidence in them, not to mention that you're the guy in charge who can make whatever moves necessary to help ensure they lose and you win the bet? Satan (impatiently) to Newcomer: The trouble with you Chicago people is, that you think you are the best people down here; whereas you are merely the most numerous. - - - Mark Twain, "Pudd'nhead Wilson's New Calendar" 1897 |
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never mind, you withdrew the assertion below
I don't recall anyone of accusing him of betting against his team. Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free American and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 59 years. meep |
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Guy who wrote the Dowd Report said it
that's what I remembered:
http://seanlahman.com/files/rose/rose-faq.html Then again, this is as close to betting against your team as you can come without actually doing so:
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/03/16/sports/baseball/16chass.html?_r=0 Not betting on your team to win when a certain pitcher is starting is damn near the same thing as betting against your team when that guy is pitching, especially when you're betting on the Reds to win almost every other game. Satan (impatiently) to Newcomer: The trouble with you Chicago people is, that you think you are the best people down here; whereas you are merely the most numerous. - - - Mark Twain, "Pudd'nhead Wilson's New Calendar" 1897 |
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Just like you probably beat your *****?
Really, 1st making an unsubstantiated accusation then stating how wrong it is, what the f is wrong with you? |
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Re: Just like you probably beat your *****?
http://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2014/08/why-pete-rose-still-cant-be-absolved/378866/ I haven't been able to Google proof that he bet against his own team so I withdraw the claim that he did so. However, as the above story shows, how much he bet on his team to win signaled to the bookies his confidence level regarding the team's chances in that game:
Also, read the Dowd report for much more information: http://thedowdreport.com/ Satan (impatiently) to Newcomer: The trouble with you Chicago people is, that you think you are the best people down here; whereas you are merely the most numerous. - - - Mark Twain, "Pudd'nhead Wilson's New Calendar" 1897 |
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Reading the entrails
I'm sure bookies watch interviews with coaches/managers before games and parse what they say to figure out how confident they are. "But they're doing that to signal to their players and the other team what they want them to believe." And couldn't that also be true of betting patterns? So he didn't bet when certain pitchers were up. Probably because he knew they didn't win as often. Don't bookies have access to won/lost records, too? The one possible accusation is that he would schedule a stronger pitcher in a mathematically unimportant late-season game rather than saving him for a division rival later in the week. But considering the bonuses teams usually get for post-season appearances, those would have to be pretty big bets to change his scheduling. -- Drew |
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And I accept this is a good point
I find it telling that you found it and used it after your previous argument was so easily discounted. Basically, you had a viewpoint based on assumptions, found the assumptions were invalid, then dug for someone else's opinion (not fact, opinion) that would help support your original viewpoint. Note: as drook pointed out, reading the patterns MAY indicate something is up, or that the game could be manipulated. But it is all supposition. I don't really care either way, since it is entertainment, and I have no stake in it. I just hate when people badmouth other people based on assumptions. That is worth fighting over. |
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You didn't prove my point wrong
I thought that I had heard he bet both ways. I posted that I didn't find proof that he did that. Satan (impatiently) to Newcomer: The trouble with you Chicago people is, that you think you are the best people down here; whereas you are merely the most numerous. - - - Mark Twain, "Pudd'nhead Wilson's New Calendar" 1897 |