Im just glad chambly and stevens kept pelosi and reid honest

Post #298,813 by boxley 11/2/08 7:05:53 PM Reply	Im just glad chambly and stevens kept pelosi and reid honest Yes, Virginia, there really is an Obama Claus. You can hear him shouting, "On Pelosi, on Reid, on Kennedy, on Biden. Cash away, cash away, cash away all!"
Post #298,823 by crazy 11/2/08 8:20:42 PM Reply	No matter how much good comes out of the next administration, you'll NEVER be happy. Know why? There will be bargaining. In the bargaining, some will gain pork. You know it'll happen. So, if the goal of the side that wants the "pure" bill, the wonderful "who the fuck knows will cure cancer bill", but others (in both parties) know that they can get pork added if they resist, so the "pure" side gives in and lets it happen, since they are sure their bill is the best thing that could happen to this country, and the pork they use to grease it through will let it happen. So let's say that bill does actually what it was supposed to do. You'll say: Those f'ing tax and spend democrats, you know they screwed us with that bill because Pelosi threw some pork into her district. So it really doesn't matter what you think, since you are a true believer, and no matter what happens, it'll fail your litmus test. Beep at least seems (or pretends well enough) to have plausible deniability on his rants, ie: given more information he might be persuaded that he might look at your side of the argument. On the other hand, I always supect him of a religious hidden agenda. While it very rarely comes out, I know it has a very strong influence on him. So he has his own set of litmus tests, but they aren't discussed.
Post #298,827 by Another Scott 11/2/08 8:29:42 PM Reply	I think you're misreading Box. Remember, he voted for Obama in the primary. He also was a big supporter of Uncle Ted Stevens - including supporting Stevens's shipping pork back to Alaska. Box gets upset when civil liberties votes don't go the way he thinks they should. When that happens, Hell hath no fury... I think he likes arguing with me, too. ;-) HTH! Cheers, Scott.
Post #298,831 by boxley 11/2/08 8:41:32 PM Reply	no I dont :-) Yes, Virginia, there really is an Obama Claus. You can hear him shouting, "On Pelosi, on Reid, on Kennedy, on Biden. Cash away, cash away, cash away all!"
Post #298,830 by boxley 11/2/08 8:41:02 PM Reply	dunno about religious agenda I belong to a congregation of one :-) freedom baby, thats where its at. Dont care about useful pork care about folks who pretend that all they need is a turn at the trough and things will be better, because all too often the true believers buy that Dont want to be safe, I would rather be free and both candidates voted to ensure that the screws of the man will be tightened to my personal detriment. My liberty and privacy are reduced to shit heads in aviator shades with tasers and chewing gum. Let mamound's boys come, we will survive then go kill them at home. The nsa boys playing a tape of a poor lonely soldier talking sex talk with his wife for the amusement of the other security creatures, that is what voting against the last patriot act bill would have stopped, nope dear leader signed on as did pappy that is why I wont vote for him Yes, Virginia, there really is an Obama Claus. You can hear him shouting, "On Pelosi, on Reid, on Kennedy, on Biden. Cash away, cash away, cash away all!"
Post #298,835 by crazy 11/2/08 8:52:07 PM Reply	Fine, you've stated your test Then the discussion is over, except for the entertainment value. I agree with you that the bill sucked, has been horrible for the country, yadda yadda yadda. Now, back to today's world. You asshole. Make a decision based on the world you live in and the options that are in front of you.
Post #298,836 by crazy 11/2/08 8:56:21 PM 11/2/08 8:57:22 PM Reply	One more thing <b> The nsa boys playing a tape of a poor lonely soldier talking sex talk with his wife for the amusement of the other security creatures, that is what voting against the last patriot act bill would have stopped, nope dear leader signed on as did pappy </b> Bullshit. The patriot bill did not authorise ANY of that. That was pure illegal, Bush simply used the patriot as cover. He would have done it anyway, and used some other legal fiction. Edit: How do I bold or left bar, etc? Edited by crazy Nov. 2, 2008, 08:57:22 PM EST Expand All History
Post #298,837 by beepster 11/2/08 9:05:23 PM Reply	Funny you still think all that started with Bush and/or the Patriot Act How quaint.
Post #298,839 by crazy 11/2/08 9:29:59 PM 11/2/08 9:39:33 PM Reply	Not at all Just that particular violation was after that bill. If you reread it, I said the patriot bill had nothing to do with it. Box was the one who said otherwise. And while I fully expect anyone in power to abuse it, the recent history shows Bush is both irrational and abused it. I'd prefer someone rational. And I don't think McCain is anymore. Edited by crazy Nov. 2, 2008, 09:39:33 PM EST Expand All History
Post #298,842 by boxley 11/2/08 9:40:39 PM Reply	Re: One more thing the patriot act allows the government to do whatever it wishs establishing the immunity of any business entity that breaks the law while helping the government, legal cover for all of that now you say I should ignore that Okay, ignoring that gives me a plausable calm black guy who is exactly like the crazy old fart, who uses advisors just as dirty in the financial meltdown as the crazy old fart. Voted with mccain 90% of the time and is more of the same with the exception a bullet proof majority in the legislative arena We have had 6 years of that followed by 2 years of nothing and how sis that work out for the country. The smart vote is a veto proof legslative arena and a president of the other party. That is the smart move because I cant vote for the crazy old fart for the same reasons I cant vote for the black guy I voted for Bob Barr. you want a train wreck like shrubs first term with the house and senate rubber stamping every cheny idea feel free. If you dont think there is a cheney like person waiting in the wings, I got a bridge in brooklyn for sale. Yes, Virginia, there really is an Obama Claus. You can hear him shouting, "On Pelosi, on Reid, on Kennedy, on Biden. Cash away, cash away, cash away all!"
Post #298,843 by crazy 11/2/08 9:45:43 PM Reply	Windmills dude ~1%
Post #298,845 by boxley 11/2/08 10:46:43 PM Reply	yup, have the scars to prove it Yes, Virginia, there really is an Obama Claus. You can hear him shouting, "On Pelosi, on Reid, on Kennedy, on Biden. Cash away, cash away, cash away all!"

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