Again, not correct.

Post #285,542 by bepatient 5/27/07 11:29:57 PM Reply	Again, not correct. Because that would mean opposition to LEGAL immigration as well, which is not the case for most. Too much of today's music is fashionable crap dressed as artistry._{Adrian Belew}
Post #285,551 by Seamus 5/28/07 9:15:16 AM Reply	Based on the question Jay asked, he described his answer rather well: As long as your belief applies to all immigrants it is not racism, though it could still be an irrational bias. Is there a word for somebody biased against immigrants, no matter what their race is? Xenophobe is overly broad, but I couldn't think of anything closer. On this issue, I think what you are describing is an immigration culture and not a liberal culture. When the sanctuary came back as an issue the 80's, it was an issue the liberals supported. Now days, a liberal is just as likely to support the labor side of the issue and support immigration reform that limits new immigration and supports supports enforcement. Conservatives who are pro-business tend to support open borders as a supply of labor that will work hard, will continue to do the work others give up on and happens to be cheap. They also aren't very supportive of laws to increase corp. accountability in hiring illegal aliens. Using immigration laws to as a tool in the fight against gang violence is something everyone should support, but seem to be afraid of the issue because they don't want to lose a large chunk of the electorate. Labeling it a liberal issue doesn't help anything. As to the racism issue, I am not sure what I read into Ashton's comment; it doesn't seem to fit his other comments. But, he can defend himself well enough. Seamus
Post #285,570 by bepatient 5/28/07 10:59:20 AM Reply	The tone was not just... ...in the followup comment...but even worse (i'd say) in the article itself. I was being specific in the liberal politic regarding non enforcement..the safe harbor policies. The waters do indeed get more muddied when you bring in hiring and enforcement of work rules..and I agree that the conservative side has alot of problems here. GWB and his ilk don't get a pass from me either. But labor law and hiring are secondary issues..by this I mean the primary enforcement of immigration rests with law enforcement..which unfortunately has specific policies to NOT enforce laws. That is something with which I (obviously) have a large problem. Too much of today's music is fashionable crap dressed as artistry._{Adrian Belew}
Post #285,574 by Seamus 5/28/07 11:15:08 AM Reply	I think the politics behind the non-enforcement is more than just liberal politics. IMO immigration politics has taken on a life force of its own because of the potentially huge electoral implications. Seamus

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