Where to begin...

1) If you were going to continue your comments on "racist" issues, why didn't you post to [link|http://z.iwethey.org/forums/render/content/show?contentid=285222|this] thread? My comments weren't about race.

2) AFAIK, the ice cream truck driver isn't being offered sanctuary.

3) If someone is arrested, you need to have a place to put them - even if only temporarily. Temporarily housing 10M+ people would be difficult.

4) Even if you have the police manpower to catch people you come across, you still need Border Patrol/INS people to process them, transport them to the border, and put them on buses or planes to get them out of the US. Not to mention [link|http://www.cbp.gov/xp/CustomsToday/2004/Aug/repatriation.xml|the expense] - let's see some ballpark numbers: $1M = 6000 people ($165 per person) to transport illegals from Arizona to Texas, so 10M people = $1.7B. $13M for a 3 month program to move illegals back to their home towns, with 1855 people transported to Mexico in 10 days. At that same rate, $13M = 16,695 people, or about $775 per person. So 10M = $7.8B. Hmmm. It's looking like it'll cost about $10-15B to kick them all out - ignoring the fact that they aren't all Mexican. A program that big will need a lot of agents to deal with all the people - after finding them all, of course.

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The main point there is a problem with the "characterization" of anyone opposing amnesty for illegal immigrants as racist. that characterization has been used by some and linked to by others in these forums.

If that was your main point, you could have made it a little better (and kept it in the earlier thread). Racism wasn't my point, at all. I thought I was addressing the topic in general, and your "liberal culture" comment in particular. (In fact, I didn't participate early in this thread because I thought you were just "stirring the pot" and not interested in conversation.)

6) Skepticism about the reporting can stand on its own without reference to the illegal status of the ice cream truck driver.

Finally, I think if you'll reread [link|http://z.iwethey.org/forums/render/content/show?contentid=285222|Ashton's comment] (that you seem to be so worked up about), I think you'll see that he's building a straw-man case against extremely wealthy Republicans who drink $25 martinis. Not saying that anyone opposing amnesty for illegal immigrants as racist. If you have some other comment, or some other person, in mind, you should be explicit. Ashton can be a little opaque to me, sometimes, but I think he was reasonably clear there. ;-)

I'm done. Have a good holiday.

Cheers,
Scott.

1) If you were going to continue your comments on "racist" issues, why didn't you post to this thread? My comments weren't about race.

...I started this thread and immediately started it as that issue. I didn't respond to the other thread because, IMO, this story deserved its own.

2) I bet you he won't be facing deportation either.

3) You get them one at a time, not 10M at a time. And the current policy of letting them walk is indefensible.

4) I'm willing to bet that this is at worst [link|http://www.fairus.org/site/PageServer?pagename=iic_immigrationissuecentersf134|a zero sum game and more likely would be a savings to the economy] to send them out. You don't have to take them from Az to Tx...AZ has its own border...and quite frankly its not our job to do anything but get them back across the border. And I;m pretty sure that keeping them here in prison would cost us more than $165...and quite frankly, expense is a poor reason to do nothing.

5) And you still didn't address that one very well...because you ignore that the main promoter of these policies in metro areas are part of the liberal, pro-immigrant culture. The same ones that support them receiving SS payments even if they've never paid in.

6) I don't thing that finding drugs in the truck relied too much on the word of kids. Maybe the selling to minors part...but not the selling part.

As for the impression...its not the first reference I've seen...and I'm certain it won't be the last. BUT, if you think that the characterization of the big time biz man sipping drinks and not worrying about the "little brown people" isn't an accusation of racism...then I guess we've got a more fundamental issue which is a disagreement about what racism is in the first place. This IS possible, as I think the accusation and characterization shows more of a character flaw in the accuser than anything else.

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