This is all missing the point

Post #269,743 by pwhysall 10/7/06 1:34:19 AM Reply	This is all missing the point 1. All that taking off your shoes does is tell terrorists not to put bombs in shoes. Better is to put in the processes and people that can spot bombs whatever their form. 2. Liquid bombs have been used? Cite, please. Also, you imply a complete bomb; not the constituent chemical components. Making liquid explosives is a delicate, dangerous activity that's highly unlikely to produce any of the desired results if attempted in the crapper on an airliner. The lack of liquid nitrogen, for a start, puts a real dampener on the exercise. 3. It's high time you subscribed to crypto-gram. Or started reading it, if you already do. 4. If nothing else at all, a TSA screener getting excited about writing on a baggie is quite simply not doing their job; they're being distracted into fannying around with non-issues. Peter [link\|http://www.no2id.net/\|Don't Let The Terrorists Win] [link\|http://www.kuro5hin.org\|There is no K5 Cabal] [link\|http://guildenstern.dyndns.org\|Home] Use P2P for legitimate purposes! [link\|http://kevan.org/brain.cgi?pwhysall\|A better terminal emulator]
Post #269,749 by Another Scott 10/7/06 8:56:00 AM Reply	PA Flight 434 [link\|http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philippine_Airlines_Flight_434\|PA Flight 434]. Cheers, Scott.
Post #269,750 by pwhysall 10/7/06 9:00:50 AM Reply	Not the same thing at all. The current restrictions on liquids on UK flights are because it was alleged that there was a plot to make explosives on the plane, which is a world away from getting some of that exotic, unknown and undetectable substance, nitroglycerine, on board a plane. The fact that said plot was a load of toss didn't distract the administration in the slightest. Peter [link\|http://www.no2id.net/\|Don't Let The Terrorists Win] [link\|http://www.kuro5hin.org\|There is no K5 Cabal] [link\|http://guildenstern.dyndns.org\|Home] Use P2P for legitimate purposes! [link\|http://kevan.org/brain.cgi?pwhysall\|A better terminal emulator]
Post #269,751 by Another Scott 10/7/06 9:36:02 AM Reply	I agree, it's difficult. And I agree that a lot of the reporting about the UK events has been hysterical. I haven't kept up with the details of the UK airline bomb plot, but it's been [link\|http://blogs.abcnews.com/theblotter/uk_airline_terror_plot/index.html\|reported] (scroll down to the August 17, 3:31 pm story) that the suspects made "martyrdom videos" and that explosives have been found. The explosive seems to have been HMTD. (It's exceedingly easy to find a recipe to make it, so I won't supply a link. Liquid nitrogen does not seem to be required.) Whether it's easy to make the explosive from a few liquid constituents on an airliner, I can't say. But the FBI found that HMTD can be made with [link\|http://www.fbi.gov/hq/lab/fsc/backissu/oct2001/bartick.htm\|commonly available hair coloring with other chemicals]. It certainly looks to me that the UK plotters thought they were going to be blowing up airplanes with their explosives. It's not clear to me how the ban on liquids relates to that plot, though. I suspect that it was a case of: "These explosives are made from liquid constituents. We don't have enough time or personnel to check liquids or other chemicals in carry-on bags, so we'll just ban all of them for now". FWIW. Cheers, Scott.
Post #269,753 by bepatient 10/7/06 10:02:46 AM Reply	Ok, so we have a technicality between making the bomb on the plane and making the explosives on the plane. I happen to agree that making the explosives on the plane is highly unlikely. This does not, however, change the fact that using liquids is a possibility (its been done) and that restricting them could, quite possibly, even be advisable. Too much of today's music is fashionable crap dressed as artistry._{Adrian Belew}
Post #269,756 by pwhysall 10/7/06 10:30:44 AM Reply	I have the solution. In every single terrorist attack, whether successful or not, the perpetrator has had one common defining factor. This factor is so definitive, so unavoidable and so unequivocal that you could actually profile for this with 100% success. Yes. The answer is clearly to prevent human beings from boarding aircraft. This will achieve the oft-sought goal of reducing our risk of being blown out of the sky to zero. </silly_but_eerily_plausible> So you make people carry their liquids on board in a transparent bag, or prevent them from carrying them on at all. They'll just shove them up their arse on a bit of string. Remember, these people are prepared to die for their cause. A little rectal discomfort isn't going to put them off. So. What do you do about that? Anal probes for all? Peter [link\|http://www.no2id.net/\|Don't Let The Terrorists Win] [link\|http://www.kuro5hin.org\|There is no K5 Cabal] [link\|http://guildenstern.dyndns.org\|Home] Use P2P for legitimate purposes! [link\|http://kevan.org/brain.cgi?pwhysall\|A better terminal emulator]
Post #269,758 by Another Scott 10/7/06 10:39:44 AM Reply	It's been done. You aren't thinking far-out enough. [link\|http://911research.wtc7.net/cache/post911/aviation/iteam_reaganstripsearch.html\|From 2004]. Cheers, Scott.
Post #269,767 by drewk 10/7/06 12:01:37 PM Reply	That's a lie If it were true, it would mean that there has been a pattern of TSA employees abusing their authority. And we all know, because it's been beaten to death right here over the past several days, that there is no such trend. That the one incident -- okay, now it's several, but the point (apparently) stands -- was merely an abberation, and not an indictment of the process. === Kip Hawley is still an idiot. === Purveyor of Doc Hope's [link\|http://DocHope.com\|fresh-baked dog biscuits and pet treats]. [link\|http://DocHope.com\|http://DocHope.com]
Post #269,773 by bepatient 10/7/06 1:04:44 PM Reply	A Ha! Oop, you got me...that agent should have crammed his arm up his butt for writing that note!!! Oh wait. Too much of today's music is fashionable crap dressed as artistry._{Adrian Belew}
Post #269,777 by bepatient 10/7/06 1:13:18 PM Reply	That is a great solution! They could use the xray machines you guys are developing over there that sees through clothes...that might catch the string hanging...so they would need to carefully trim. Too much of today's music is fashionable crap dressed as artistry._{Adrian Belew}

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