Few doubt that liquid explosives can do damage.

The [link|http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philippine_Airlines_Flight_434|explosion] - that we've both linked to - which killed that poor fellow was caused by [link|http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nitroglycerin|nitroglicerin] - not hair gel. And not writing 5 words on a baggie.

Why don't we ban [link|http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/national/longterm/twa800/bomb.htm|Toshiba radios] on aircraft?

The point is, TSA is very bad about explaining the reasons for their security procedures. Their rules are seen as arbitrary and capricious. They take actions which don't enhance security, but only serve to annoy people. One week, no liquids are permitted. The next, 3 oz is OK, if it's in a 1 quart plastic bag. The next, one might assume, is that only TSA approved vendors can supply liquids that are carried past checkpoints and a new Microsoft-style monopoloy will be born...

;-)

Cheers,
Scott.
(Who wonders: How long we can loop around this topic before we're all driven insane? And who figures that eventually we're going to learn to tolerate a small risk of violent death on commercial aircraft, or we're all going to have to fly nude.)

I suspect that I'm already batshit bonkers from the topic. On the other paw, if you think you can go fast... more than 30 MPH, say, and not risk death at all, you are already way above me on the bonkers scale. Going fast isn't dangerous but stopping abruptly can bugger your whole day... Flying, by definition, involves going fast enough to kill you if you stop flying abruptly. So does riding a Greyhound bus but if the collision is sufficiently inelastic, the deceleration may be tolerable... but that's for nitpickers.
Flying has always been dangerous to some degree or anther. It reflects well on the industry that it is as safe as it is. Still, no level of degrading passangers is going to stop a flight of geese though a couple engines. It still will be dangerous to some degree. Now, we have whackadoos who want to detonate their sneakers or tampons or hair gell or ... It's all part of the game. The odds are still in my favor if I want to fly to San Jose or drive (except that I'll be fired for missing 3 days of work driving or for showing up a couple days late.)
None of this addresses stingers (generic term now, I think) on take off (less likely on landing) but this is an SEP.
None of this addresses deleberate sabotage since we are screening passengers more rigorously then employees.
If the whackadoos plans have gotten to the level where they can get a device on the plane, they are way ahead of the game. They need to be stopped in the planning/supply stages. The rest is just luck of the draw. Live with it. Didn't cut anything vital off zipping up this morining? You're starting the day off well!
It's probably a good day to fly (or die. I admitted to being bonkers...)
(edit: s/elastic/inelastic/)

Post #269,544 by Another Scott 10/5/06 5:40:50 PM Reply	Few doubt that liquid explosives can do damage. The [link\|http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philippine_Airlines_Flight_434\|explosion] - that we've both linked to - which killed that poor fellow was caused by [link\|http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nitroglycerin\|nitroglicerin] - not hair gel. And not writing 5 words on a baggie. Why don't we ban [link\|http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/national/longterm/twa800/bomb.htm\|Toshiba radios] on aircraft? The point is, TSA is very bad about explaining the reasons for their security procedures. Their rules are seen as arbitrary and capricious. They take actions which don't enhance security, but only serve to annoy people. One week, no liquids are permitted. The next, 3 oz is OK, if it's in a 1 quart plastic bag. The next, one might assume, is that only TSA approved vendors can supply liquids that are carried past checkpoints and a new Microsoft-style monopoloy will be born... ;-) Cheers, Scott. (Who wonders: How long we can loop around this topic before we're all driven insane? And who figures that eventually we're going to learn to tolerate a small risk of violent death on commercial aircraft, or we're all going to have to fly nude.)
Post #269,548 by hnick 10/5/06 6:24:56 PM 10/5/06 6:53:24 PM Reply	Ha! I suspect that I'm already batshit bonkers from the topic. On the other paw, if you think you can go fast... more than 30 MPH, say, and not risk death at all, you are already way above me on the bonkers scale. Going fast isn't dangerous but stopping abruptly can bugger your whole day... Flying, by definition, involves going fast enough to kill you if you stop flying abruptly. So does riding a Greyhound bus but if the collision is sufficiently inelastic, the deceleration may be tolerable... but that's for nitpickers. Flying has always been dangerous to some degree or anther. It reflects well on the industry that it is as safe as it is. Still, no level of degrading passangers is going to stop a flight of geese though a couple engines. It still will be dangerous to some degree. Now, we have whackadoos who want to detonate their sneakers or tampons or hair gell or ... It's all part of the game. The odds are still in my favor if I want to fly to San Jose or drive (except that I'll be fired for missing 3 days of work driving or for showing up a couple days late.) None of this addresses stingers (generic term now, I think) on take off (less likely on landing) but this is an SEP. None of this addresses deleberate sabotage since we are screening passengers more rigorously then employees. If the whackadoos plans have gotten to the level where they can get a device on the plane, they are way ahead of the game. They need to be stopped in the planning/supply stages. The rest is just luck of the draw. Live with it. Didn't cut anything vital off zipping up this morining? You're starting the day off well! It's probably a good day to fly (or die. I admitted to being bonkers...) (edit: s/elastic/inelastic/) Edited by hnick Oct. 5, 2006, 06:53:24 PM EDT Expand All History
Post #269,549 by bepatient 10/5/06 6:29:04 PM Reply	applause here's to bonkers! Too much of today's music is fashionable crap dressed as artistry._{Adrian Belew}

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