Emacs.

Post #264,390 by admin 8/10/06 11:50:13 AM Reply	Emacs. Best multiple-machine environment feature: Open a dired (directory edit: ls on steroids) remotely via scp/ssh, then edit and save the files remotely as if they were local. This works over FTP as well. Regards, -scott anderson "Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."
Post #264,393 by drewk 8/10/06 11:54:26 AM Reply	You can do that in vi, too I wouldn't be surprised if the interface is a little clunkier though. I remember setting up a bash alias to handle the remoting part. Something like 'alias vir = 'vim -r user@host:/'. (Don't use that command, it's pseudo-bash.) === Purveyor of Doc Hope's [link\|http://DocHope.com\|fresh-baked dog biscuits and pet treats]. [link\|http://DocHope.com\|http://DocHope.com]
Post #264,396 by admin 8/10/06 12:26:49 PM Reply	I don't see that in the man page. The closest thing is "--remote", which isn't the same thing at all as it requires a "vim server" (shudder) running on the remote machine. Regards, -scott anderson "Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."
Post #264,399 by drewk 8/10/06 12:38:20 PM Reply	Nope, it's a plugin [link\|http://www.vim.org/tips/tip.php?tip_id=337\|The tip on it] says the plugin is installed by default, though. To me that's close enough to "default behavior" as to make no difference. Oh, and when I said the auto-completion above was done via a macro, I meant plugin. === Purveyor of Doc Hope's [link\|http://DocHope.com\|fresh-baked dog biscuits and pet treats]. [link\|http://DocHope.com\|http://DocHope.com]
Post #264,401 by admin 8/10/06 12:44:37 PM Reply	Looks somewhat similar Except for the remote file browsing capability you get with dired in Emacs. Regards, -scott anderson "Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."
Post #264,404 by drewk 8/10/06 12:55:09 PM Reply	Yeah, it's not as general-purpose That's why I set up the alias. Actually probably a quick bash script, now that I think about it. I had to already know the remote file structure for it to be useful. And if I knew that, and had SSH access, I'd just connect to the remote box and edit in vim there. === Purveyor of Doc Hope's [link\|http://DocHope.com\|fresh-baked dog biscuits and pet treats]. [link\|http://DocHope.com\|http://DocHope.com]
Post #264,408 by admin 8/10/06 12:57:19 PM Reply	Right. I like to use Emacs to browse the file structure on the web servers in DEV. Sometimes I use it to make remote mods to Javascript files for testing as well. Regards, -scott anderson "Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."
Post #264,397 by folkert 8/10/06 12:27:34 PM Reply	nano can edit files on remote machines... just not as pretty. But I believe its simplicity is a big plus. Basically it is reading a file into a new buffer, using the execute command from the read-file command But still at this point the peep needs something simple in character mode. -- [link\|mailto:greg@gregfolkert.net\|greg], [link\|http://www.iwethey.org/ed_curry\|REMEMBER ED CURRY!] @ *i_wethey* Freedom is not FREE. Yeah, but 10s of Trillions of US Dollars? SELECT * FROM scog WHERE ethics > 0; 0 rows returned.
Post #264,398 by admin 8/10/06 12:32:21 PM Reply	Emacs is as simple as you make it. "emacs somefile" <use arrow, page, home, end keys to move around> Type some stuff to put it in the file. C-x C-c to save and exit (That's the one key combo you have to learn, and even that could be rebound to F10 or something). If they know the bash keybindings, then they know a good portion of the basic Emacs bindings as well. The advantage of Emacs is that it grows with the user. It's a lot simpler for people to learn than vim if they are new to both (I've verified that here with QA people coming from Notepad to a Solaris environment). The modal nature of vi/vim kills newbies every time. Regards, -scott anderson "Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."
Post #264,406 by folkert 8/10/06 12:55:19 PM Reply	"Modal == teh sukc" for newbies, indeedly do. If I had to do it all over again, I'd choose emacs... everyday and twice on Sunday. The thing is, unlearning the bad habits vi/vim have taught me over the years would be very difficult. Its like learning to live with a chronic pain, you learn to love it after a while and define your life around and with it. -- [link\|mailto:greg@gregfolkert.net\|greg], [link\|http://www.iwethey.org/ed_curry\|REMEMBER ED CURRY!] @ *i_wethey* Freedom is not FREE. Yeah, but 10s of Trillions of US Dollars? SELECT * FROM scog WHERE ethics > 0; 0 rows returned.
Post #264,764 by static 8/14/06 1:10:34 AM Reply	What bad habits would they be? (new thread) Created as new thread #264763 titled [link\|/forums/render/content/show?contentid=264763\|What bad habits would they be?] "Insert crowbar. Apply force."

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