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Post #264,424 by broomberg 8/10/06 1:44:20 PM Reply	No idea It is simply there on every gvim I've used for the past 3 years. I certainly didn't do anything to add it.
Post #264,427 by drewk 8/10/06 2:02:46 PM Reply	Hmm, gvim vs vim I'm pretty sure I'm always using vim, not gvim. Mostly, gvim adds mouse support and scrollbars. I like vim mostly because I don't need the mouse to be productive. Sticking with vim allows me to open within the current terminal rather than spawning a new window, which also allows me to do neat things with `screen`, like detaching when I leave work and reattaching when I get home. (Okay, it used to let me do that, when I still had a Linux box on my desk.) While looking to see if there were other differences, I found [link\|http://www.linux.com/article.pl?sid=05/08/24/145234\|this list of other plugins]. Looks like there's a couple of flavors of directory views available. Might work remotely, like Scott described with Emacs. === Purveyor of Doc Hope's [link\|http://DocHope.com\|fresh-baked dog biscuits and pet treats]. [link\|http://DocHope.com\|http://DocHope.com]
Post #264,437 by broomberg 8/10/06 2:15:25 PM Reply	I prefer gvim I've never gotten a color scheme on vim that I like for syntax highlighting. And I can't really envision a time I'd need a screen session for editing purposes.
Post #264,456 by jb4 8/10/06 3:53:36 PM Reply	No law says you have to use a mouse and scroolbars Gvim is vim. The advantage is that when you're ripping through a 10,000 line file, grabbing the scroll bar and sliding it to where the offending line is is a whole lot easier IMnsHO than Page Downing for the better part of forever. YMMV (Yes I know...but anybody who claims that 10,000 line files don't exist has got their head stuck up a cloud...or some other orifice!) jb4 "So don't pay attention to the approval ratings that say 68% of Americans disapprove of the job this man is doing. I ask you this, does that not also logically mean that 68% approve of the job he's not doing? Think about it. I haven't." — Stephen Colbert, at the White House Correspondent's Dinner 29Apr06
Post #264,465 by broomberg 8/10/06 4:59:30 PM Reply	:7000<ENTER> or 7000G
Post #264,467 by Another Scott 8/10/06 5:01:30 PM Reply	But the day goes faster hitting Page Down 200x. ;-)
Post #264,471 by jb4 8/10/06 5:07:21 PM Reply	Assuming, of course, that you know the target line... ...is in the same screen as line 7000. Gad, you must be psychic. (And, if you're true to your craft, that would make you a faithful psychic...) jb4 "So don't pay attention to the approval ratings that say 68% of Americans disapprove of the job this man is doing. I ask you this, does that not also logically mean that 68% approve of the job he's not doing? Think about it. I haven't." — Stephen Colbert, at the White House Correspondent's Dinner 29Apr06
Post #264,474 by drewk 8/10/06 5:20:44 PM Reply	No, that's not what I was going to say I was going to say, that if I ever find a 10k line file, I'll find the jackass who wrote it and make him fix it. Yeah, I know it doesn't work in real life. === Purveyor of Doc Hope's [link\|http://DocHope.com\|fresh-baked dog biscuits and pet treats]. [link\|http://DocHope.com\|http://DocHope.com]
Post #264,477 by admin 8/10/06 5:22:32 PM Reply	I've seen enough of them. And I also know how and why they get created. I'm not excusing, just saying. Regards, -scott anderson "Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."
Post #264,488 by broomberg 8/10/06 6:20:39 PM Reply	Here wc -l /etc/termcap 14761 /etc/termcap
Post #264,491 by Yendor 8/10/06 6:34:12 PM Reply	And the last time you needed to edit /etc/termcap was...? -YendorMike "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." - Benjamin Franklin, 1759 Historical Review of Pennsylvania
Post #264,492 by broomberg 8/10/06 6:49:46 PM Reply	About 21 years ago I used to write termcap entries for a living.
Post #264,493 by hnick 8/10/06 7:00:14 PM Reply	YPB
Post #264,494 by broomberg 8/10/06 7:15:49 PM Reply	Wasn't so bad. I worked for a company called Telexpress. They has a terminal emulater called Teleterm. The program was table driven, and allowed you to create new terminal definitions. A customer might buy a canned system from a vertical market vendor that included a server (Unix, Pick, Vax, etc) and some terminals. The terminal could be ANYTHING. In those days, new ones were popping up all the time. They would want to hook up their PCs (days of original PC and XT) to the system. So they would send us a terminal and the manual. I would review the manual and create a termcap entry for the terminal if it did not exist. I would then reverse that and create the table entries that our software would use to create a new terminal. Was a great education. I owe them a lot for it.
Post #264,497 by drewk 8/10/06 5:05:33 PM Reply	I think the term would be "pathological example" Do you have any other examples of what you would consider decent code -- meaning something that you wouldn't re-write if given the time -- that exceed 10k lines? === Purveyor of Doc Hope's [link\|http://DocHope.com\|fresh-baked dog biscuits and pet treats]. [link\|http://DocHope.com\|http://DocHope.com]
Post #264,502 by drewk 8/10/06 5:08:45 PM 8/11/06 10:25:23 AM Reply	Oops, time travelling on the reboot Do you have any other examples of what you would consider decent code -- meaning something that you wouldn't re-write if given the time -- that exceed 10k lines? === Purveyor of Doc Hope's [link\|http://DocHope.com\|fresh-baked dog biscuits and pet treats]. [link\|http://DocHope.com\|http://DocHope.com] Edited by drewk Aug. 11, 2006, 10:25:23 AM EDT Expand All History
Post #264,504 by drewk 8/10/06 5:10:16 PM 8/11/06 10:25:48 AM Reply	No, really, that's what happened Do you have any other examples of what you would consider decent code -- meaning something that you wouldn't re-write if given the time -- that exceed 10k lines? === Purveyor of Doc Hope's [link\|http://DocHope.com\|fresh-baked dog biscuits and pet treats]. [link\|http://DocHope.com\|http://DocHope.com] Edited by drewk Aug. 11, 2006, 10:25:48 AM EDT Expand All History
Post #264,522 by pwhysall 8/11/06 3:01:08 AM Reply	10K lines? Pshaw. Allow me to gloat/whimper at the time I had to edit a 3-million-line file. I'll also slide in some VMS advocacy. It was a (very) large DXF, and I used the VMS editor, which is cunningly called "edit" and which has that "I was written by real programmers, me" feel about it. It never crashes. It never accidentally fucks you up. The box (1GHz 21264 with 2GB RAM and "lots" of disk) didn't even blink when I went from one end of the file to the other - this is always a good test to see if the programmer really wants you to edit Very Big Files with their editor. Didn't take long to save it, either. And I got a free version. And if you "diff/par somefile.dxf" without specifying the version number it automatically assumes you mean this version against the previous version, which is of course what you wanted. And you can do the diff right there in the editor. VMS pwnz j00. But you knew that. Peter [link\|http://www.no2id.net/\|Don't Let The Terrorists Win] [link\|http://www.kuro5hin.org\|There is no K5 Cabal] [link\|http://guildenstern.dyndns.org\|Home] Use P2P for legitimate purposes! [link\|http://kevan.org/brain.cgi?pwhysall\|A better terminal emulator]
Post #264,954 by jb4 8/15/06 3:10:51 PM Reply	Yes, I did know that. I just didn't know what you said to mean that... jb4 "So don't pay attention to the approval ratings that say 68% of Americans disapprove of the job this man is doing. I ask you this, does that not also logically mean that 68% approve of the job he's not doing? Think about it. I haven't." — Stephen Colbert, at the White House Correspondent's Dinner 29Apr06
Post #264,476 by admin 8/10/06 5:22:12 PM Reply	That's what incremental search is for... Regards, -scott anderson "Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."

I am SCREWED - (broomberg) - (71) - Aug. 9, 2006, 11:28:33 PM EDT

:-( Get him a copy of UltraEdit. - (Another Scott) - (16) - Aug. 9, 2006, 11:44:53 PM EDT

UltraEdit is great - (cforde) - Aug. 10, 2006, 01:40:00 AM EDT

UE costs money. - (pwhysall) - (2) - Aug. 10, 2006, 08:11:17 AM EDT

OT: Shouldn't you be on your honeymoon? -NT - (Yendor) - (1) - Aug. 10, 2006, 08:40:50 AM EDT

he's gotta come up for air once in a while. ;-j -NT - (jbrabeck) - Aug. 11, 2006, 08:05:12 AM EDT

That is one of the current Win choices. - (broomberg) - (11) - Aug. 10, 2006, 11:14:10 AM EDT

nano? - (Another Scott) - (1) - Aug. 10, 2006, 11:22:57 AM EDT

Install requested - (broomberg) - Aug. 10, 2006, 01:28:26 PM EDT

I use nano as my default editor. - (folkert) - (8) - Aug. 10, 2006, 12:29:22 PM EDT

Hmmm - (broomberg) - (7) - Aug. 10, 2006, 01:41:08 PM EDT

No "undo" - (broomberg) - (5) - Aug. 10, 2006, 02:01:34 PM EDT

Try this - (drewk) - (2) - Aug. 10, 2006, 02:04:09 PM EDT

I've played with cream - (broomberg) - (1) - Aug. 10, 2006, 02:13:24 PM EDT

I won't respond to that post - (drewk) - Aug. 10, 2006, 02:14:05 PM EDT

Undo is only necessary for htose who make mistaeks. - (Another Scott) - (1) - Aug. 10, 2006, 02:18:43 PM EDT

You can force it to be the default - (folkert) - Aug. 10, 2006, 02:54:07 PM EDT

No, I use them all. I am not a programmer. - (folkert) - Aug. 10, 2006, 03:09:45 PM EDT

Never "learned" vi, eh? I like him already! - (jb4) - (50) - Aug. 10, 2006, 09:46:17 AM EDT

Sigh - (broomberg) - (49) - Aug. 10, 2006, 11:24:25 AM EDT

Well... - (jb4) - (37) - Aug. 10, 2006, 01:22:03 PM EDT

I think auto-complete is a macro - (drewk) - (36) - Aug. 10, 2006, 11:50:34 AM EDT

Depends on who you ask - (jb4) - (13) - Aug. 10, 2006, 01:23:37 PM EDT

So have them fix it - (broomberg) - (3) - Aug. 10, 2006, 01:42:41 PM EDT

Yeah...comma...right - (jb4) - (2) - Aug. 10, 2006, 02:08:21 PM EDT

Sigh - (broomberg) - (1) - Aug. 10, 2006, 02:16:44 PM EDT

I don't make large edits on these systems - (jb4) - Aug. 10, 2006, 03:50:03 PM EDT

Is vim the windows version of vi? - (Nightowl) - (8) - Aug. 11, 2006, 02:23:29 PM EDT

Nope, 'vim' is 'vi, improved' - (drewk) - (7) - Aug. 11, 2006, 02:35:10 PM EDT

I seem to have both kinds - (Nightowl) - (6) - Aug. 11, 2006, 02:50:41 PM EDT

If it has multiple levels of 'undo' it's probably vim -NT - (drewk) - (5) - Aug. 11, 2006, 02:55:26 PM EDT

Hmmm I only know of one undo command. - (Nightowl) - (4) - Aug. 11, 2006, 03:08:10 PM EDT

What's the command you use to start it? - (jake123) - (3) - Aug. 11, 2006, 07:37:30 PM EDT

vi :) - (Nightowl) - (2) - Aug. 12, 2006, 12:08:55 PM EDT

Of course vim can be aliased to "vi"... - (jb4) - (1) - Aug. 15, 2006, 03:08:41 PM EDT

Re: Of course vim can be aliased to "vi"... - (Nightowl) - Aug. 16, 2006, 02:32:36 AM EDT

Yes, I mean vim - (broomberg) - (21) - Aug. 10, 2006, 01:25:05 PM EDT

Was I right about that being a plugin? - (drewk) - (20) - Aug. 10, 2006, 01:35:37 PM EDT

No idea - (broomberg) - (19) - Aug. 10, 2006, 01:44:20 PM EDT

Hmm, gvim vs vim - (drewk) - (18) - Aug. 10, 2006, 02:02:46 PM EDT

I prefer gvim - (broomberg) - Aug. 10, 2006, 02:15:25 PM EDT

No law says you have to use a mouse and scroolbars - (jb4) - (16) - Aug. 10, 2006, 03:53:36 PM EDT

:7000<ENTER> or 7000G -NT - (broomberg) - (2) - Aug. 10, 2006, 04:59:30 PM EDT

But the day goes faster hitting Page Down 200x. ;-) -NT - (Another Scott) - Aug. 10, 2006, 05:01:30 PM EDT

Assuming, of course, that you know the target line... - (jb4) - Aug. 10, 2006, 05:07:21 PM EDT

No, that's not what I was going to say - (drewk) - (11) - Aug. 10, 2006, 05:20:44 PM EDT

I've seen enough of them. - (admin) - Aug. 10, 2006, 05:22:32 PM EDT

Here - (broomberg) - (7) - Aug. 10, 2006, 06:20:39 PM EDT

And the last time you needed to edit /etc/termcap was...? -NT - (Yendor) - (6) - Aug. 10, 2006, 06:34:12 PM EDT

About 21 years ago - (broomberg) - (5) - Aug. 10, 2006, 06:49:46 PM EDT

YPB -NT - (hnick) - (1) - Aug. 10, 2006, 07:00:14 PM EDT

Wasn't so bad. - (broomberg) - Aug. 10, 2006, 07:15:49 PM EDT

I think the term would be "pathological example" - (drewk) - Aug. 10, 2006, 05:05:33 PM EDT

Oops, time travelling on the reboot - (drewk) - Aug. 11, 2006, 10:25:23 AM EDT

No, really, that's what happened - (drewk) - Aug. 11, 2006, 10:25:48 AM EDT

10K lines? Pshaw. - (pwhysall) - (1) - Aug. 11, 2006, 03:01:08 AM EDT

Yes, I **did** know that. - (jb4) - Aug. 15, 2006, 03:10:51 PM EDT

That's what incremental search is for... -NT - (admin) - Aug. 10, 2006, 05:22:12 PM EDT

Emacs. - (admin) - (10) - Aug. 10, 2006, 11:50:13 AM EDT

You can do that in vi, too - (drewk) - (9) - Aug. 10, 2006, 11:54:26 AM EDT

I don't see that in the man page. - (admin) - (4) - Aug. 10, 2006, 12:26:49 PM EDT

Nope, it's a plugin - (drewk) - (3) - Aug. 10, 2006, 12:38:20 PM EDT

Looks somewhat similar - (admin) - (2) - Aug. 10, 2006, 12:44:37 PM EDT

Yeah, it's not as general-purpose - (drewk) - (1) - Aug. 10, 2006, 12:55:09 PM EDT

Right. - (admin) - Aug. 10, 2006, 12:57:19 PM EDT

nano can edit files on remote machines... - (folkert) - (3) - Aug. 10, 2006, 12:27:34 PM EDT

Emacs is as simple as you make it. - (admin) - (2) - Aug. 10, 2006, 12:32:21 PM EDT

"Modal == teh sukc" for newbies, indeedly do. - (folkert) - (1) - Aug. 10, 2006, 12:55:19 PM EDT

What bad habits would they be? (new thread) - (static) - Aug. 14, 2006, 01:10:34 AM EDT

why cant he use the xeditor on solaris? -NT - (boxley) - (1) - Aug. 10, 2006, 02:27:08 PM EDT

'X' - not character mode -NT - (broomberg) - Aug. 10, 2006, 05:02:43 PM EDT

Emacs with CUA Mode? - (altmann) - Aug. 10, 2006, 06:19:38 PM EDT

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