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Post #257,026

by bepatient

5/28/06 5:54:29 PM

Its a huge painting

and it catches you when you stand in front of it.

But your statement is one more nail in the coffin of the notion of objective beauty.

If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. _{Fudd's First Law of Opposition}

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Post #257,027

by imric

5/28/06 6:31:51 PM

Yabbut

Without there being an objective standard of beauty, if beauty is subjective, if it varies from individual to individual, from culture to culture, how can one rationalize controlling what art the public is allowed to see with 'freedom'? How can you tighten the noose areound the neck of 'freedom of speech'?

Objective standards of beauty and art are necessary to the next step in der Master Plan. It is necessary to that these standards appear unlinked to a particular religion, as well (you know, like 'creation science'). Therefore the declaration of 'humanism'.

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Pessimists are never disappointed - but sometimes, if they are very lucky, they can be pleasantly surprised...
Even though everyone is out to get you, it doesn't matter unless you let them win.

Nothing is as simple as it seems in the beginning,
As hopeless as it seems in the middle,
Or as finished as it seems in the end.

Post #257,036

by pwhysall

5/28/06 9:27:26 PM

And we will burn that which fails the test!

For the greater good!

That's where this crypto-fascistic bullshit of Marlowe's leads.

Post #257,065

by bepatient

5/29/06 12:52:31 PM

Um...

you have been reading me in this thread, right?

You can't.

The problem is that this inability is now being taken advantage of by the fringe who know that no matter what now (let me throw shit at religious artifacts...I'll call it art and they'll >have< to let me show it) they'll will be able to gain noteriety.

Its "shock art"...and the emphasis is on shock...cause I don't even think the folks making it think its art either. They're "making a statement".

And you know full well that I understand this as the "dark side" of freedom...and that its necessary to endure. I don't go, don't give it my money...vote with my feet.

Same with satellite radio. Stern went there. I will not. Again, voting with my feet.

If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. _{Fudd's First Law of Opposition}

[link|mailto:bepatient@aol.com|BePatient]

Post #257,072

by imric

5/29/06 6:09:12 PM

ROFL... Come now, Beep!

I actually agree - but 'shock art' is a form of communication as well.

My point was that this whole 'tempest' was caused by our own 'private dick''s laying a background for censoring art (probably in the name of saving the cheeeldrun).

Imric's Tips for Living

Paranoia Is a Survival Trait
Pessimists are never disappointed - but sometimes, if they are very lucky, they can be pleasantly surprised...
Even though everyone is out to get you, it doesn't matter unless you let them win.

Nothing is as simple as it seems in the beginning,
As hopeless as it seems in the middle,
Or as finished as it seems in the end.

Post #257,073

by Andrew Grygus

5/29/06 6:25:01 PM

Oh, come on now - 'Saving the Cheeeldrun' is . . .

. . so "Last Century". Surely there must be a way to link "art" and "objective beauty" to the pressing need for National Security.

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Post #257,074

by pwhysall

5/29/06 6:35:41 PM

Here's how:

Art - appreciated by the loyal (I'm feeling uplifted just looking at it. Or I've got flatulence. One or t'other):

[image|http://www.skylinepictures.com/Freedo1.jpg||||]

Shit - viewers are terrorists and could do with a good arresting:

[image|http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/f4/The_Scream.jpg/463px-The_Scream.jpg||The work of a left-wing mentalist||]

Post #257,191

by boxley

5/30/06 1:47:36 PM

why dont you like the picture of a labrador wearing a coat?

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Post #257,687

by Arkadiy

6/4/06 12:28:30 PM

Gah! I've seen "Glory to CPSU"posters that were better made.

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A declaration of humanism - (marlowe) - (67) - April 23, 2006, 03:43:54 PM EDT

I don't hate humanity - (ben_tilly) - (1) - April 23, 2006, 04:06:36 PM EDT

Oh, you're soooo intolerant. - (marlowe) - May 7, 2006, 06:40:40 PM EDT

What I want to hear from you is . . . - (Andrew Grygus) - (1) - April 23, 2006, 05:36:42 PM EDT

Your confusion of opinion with reality... - (marlowe) - May 7, 2006, 06:46:22 PM EDT

Im glad you support legalizing drugs and prostitution - (boxley) - April 23, 2006, 05:40:29 PM EDT

Fascist-humanist - (JayMehaffey) - (4) - April 23, 2006, 05:51:10 PM EDT

There's a little thing called logic. - (marlowe) - (3) - May 7, 2006, 07:19:19 PM EDT

Then how - (JayMehaffey) - May 7, 2006, 08:06:28 PM EDT

Rules in society aren't black and white. - (Another Scott) - May 7, 2006, 08:47:57 PM EDT

You just heard of it? - (tuberculosis) - May 8, 2006, 07:23:17 PM EDT

Zero grasp of basic economic theory - (tuberculosis) - April 24, 2006, 12:50:29 AM EDT

Okay now I have more time to address your concerns - (boxley) - (52) - April 24, 2006, 03:00:03 AM EDT

It was nice of you to do that - (bepatient) - (51) - April 24, 2006, 09:19:02 AM EDT

+5 Insightful - (jb4) - (1) - April 24, 2006, 01:58:09 PM EDT

I'm gonna say it again - (jake123) - April 24, 2006, 02:49:17 PM EDT

I don't know much about art... - (marlowe) - (48) - May 7, 2006, 06:44:42 PM EDT

Define objective. Define beauty. - (Another Scott) - (5) - May 7, 2006, 07:26:20 PM EDT

You really need "objective" defined for you? - (marlowe) - (4) - May 21, 2006, 06:29:26 PM EDT

Define "objective beauty". - (pwhysall) - (2) - May 21, 2006, 06:37:37 PM EDT

Objective beauty == oxymoron - (jbrabeck) - (1) - May 21, 2006, 08:57:41 PM EDT

I know that and you know that. - (pwhysall) - May 22, 2006, 03:09:50 AM EDT

you havnt answered why the people you date arnt objectively - (boxley) - May 22, 2006, 08:24:44 AM EDT

give me a break, look at the women(or men) you date - (boxley) - May 7, 2006, 07:51:39 PM EDT

I like motorway intersections, integrated circuits and fonts - (pwhysall) - May 8, 2006, 01:50:05 AM EDT

Don't know much about history... - (jb4) - May 8, 2006, 11:34:53 AM EDT

I don't think so, pal. - (bepatient) - (1) - May 10, 2006, 12:43:42 PM EDT

Who you callin' "sir"?!? - (jb4) - May 10, 2006, 02:12:25 PM EDT

Or anything else it seems -NT - (tuberculosis) - May 12, 2006, 03:48:23 AM EDT

I'm surprised at you - (GBert) - May 17, 2006, 11:06:05 AM EDT

Why does a humanist care about the madonna? -NT - (warmachine) - (1) - May 22, 2006, 02:47:20 AM EDT

why does anyone care about madonna? -NT - (boxley) - May 22, 2006, 08:25:30 AM EDT

Re: I don't know much about art... - (pwhysall) - (32) - May 22, 2006, 08:36:23 AM EDT

I, on the other hand, - (jbrabeck) - (7) - May 22, 2006, 09:57:04 AM EDT

Objective beauty of art? That's too easy! - (GBert) - (6) - May 22, 2006, 11:14:37 AM EDT

And someone called *me* snarky -NT - (drewk) - (3) - May 22, 2006, 11:52:46 AM EDT

Well, they were right... - (jb4) - (2) - May 22, 2006, 02:25:11 PM EDT

How about "table-driven snarky"? OOP is a lie! -NT - (drewk) - (1) - May 22, 2006, 02:31:08 PM EDT

Alright! Who stole Drew's ID and is holding it for ransom? -NT - (jb4) - May 22, 2006, 02:32:31 PM EDT

Objective beauty is soviet era art with american flags -NT - (boxley) - (1) - May 22, 2006, 02:51:02 PM EDT

I believe Rand has a nice collection of that -NT - (drewk) - May 22, 2006, 02:54:10 PM EDT

So, please, tell me. Is there such "thing" as beauty? - (Arkadiy) - (23) - May 27, 2006, 07:26:43 PM EDT

Point = missed. - (pwhysall) - (7) - May 28, 2006, 03:12:39 AM EDT

Not really missed - (Arkadiy) - (1) - May 28, 2006, 11:17:27 AM EDT

Yeah, you have. - (pwhysall) - May 28, 2006, 09:25:52 PM EDT

I have to apologise here - (Arkadiy) - (4) - May 28, 2006, 11:59:35 AM EDT

You're still missing the point - (pwhysall) - (1) - May 28, 2006, 09:23:24 PM EDT

those pictures are loverly - (boxley) - May 30, 2006, 01:44:21 PM EDT

The Pontiac Aztek has a face... - (jb4) - (1) - May 30, 2006, 01:08:15 PM EDT

Grargh. - (pwhysall) - May 30, 2006, 02:07:24 PM EDT

Independent from the observer? No. - (bepatient) - (14) - May 28, 2006, 11:36:05 AM EDT

I guess I have to agree - (Arkadiy) - (1) - May 28, 2006, 11:47:55 AM EDT

And I with you - (bepatient) - May 28, 2006, 11:59:25 AM EDT

s /Van Gogh/Rembrandt perhaps? -NT - (Another Scott) - (1) - May 28, 2006, 12:08:16 PM EDT

Yeah...my bad. -NT - (bepatient) - May 28, 2006, 12:20:25 PM EDT

Not I - (jbrabeck) - (9) - May 28, 2006, 02:03:07 PM EDT

Its a huge painting - (bepatient) - (8) - May 28, 2006, 05:54:29 PM EDT

Yabbut - (imric) - (7) - May 28, 2006, 06:31:51 PM EDT

And we will burn that which fails the test! - (pwhysall) - May 28, 2006, 09:27:26 PM EDT

Um... - (bepatient) - (5) - May 29, 2006, 12:52:31 PM EDT

ROFL... Come now, Beep! - (imric) - (4) - May 29, 2006, 06:09:12 PM EDT

Oh, come on now - 'Saving the Cheeeldrun' is . . . - (Andrew Grygus) - (3) - May 29, 2006, 06:25:01 PM EDT

Here's how: - (pwhysall) - (2) - May 29, 2006, 06:35:41 PM EDT

why dont you like the picture of a labrador wearing a coat? -NT - (boxley) - May 30, 2006, 01:47:36 PM EDT

Gah! I've seen "Glory to CPSU"posters that were better made. -NT - (Arkadiy) - June 4, 2006, 12:28:30 PM EDT

Me too! Give me a break too! - (rcareaga) - (2) - May 7, 2006, 11:46:07 PM EDT

For those of you who need a dictionary - (broomberg) - (1) - May 8, 2006, 12:01:30 AM EDT

Calumny! -NT - (pwhysall) - May 8, 2006, 01:46:51 AM EDT

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