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New Yabbut
Without there being an objective standard of beauty, if beauty is subjective, if it varies from individual to individual, from culture to culture, how can one rationalize controlling what art the public is allowed to see with 'freedom'? How can you tighten the noose areound the neck of 'freedom of speech'?

Objective standards of beauty and art are necessary to the next step in der Master Plan. It is necessary to that these standards appear unlinked to a particular religion, as well (you know, like 'creation science'). Therefore the declaration of 'humanism'.

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  • Paranoia Is a Survival Trait
  • Pessimists are never disappointed - but sometimes, if they are very lucky, they can be pleasantly surprised...
  • Even though everyone is out to get you, it doesn't matter unless you let them win.


Nothing is as simple as it seems in the beginning,
As hopeless as it seems in the middle,
Or as finished as it seems in the end.
 
 
New And we will burn that which fails the test!
For the greater good!

That's where this crypto-fascistic bullshit of Marlowe's leads.


Peter
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New Um...
you have been reading me in this thread, right?

You can't.

The problem is that this inability is now being taken advantage of by the fringe who know that no matter what now (let me throw shit at religious artifacts...I'll call it art and they'll >have< to let me show it) they'll will be able to gain noteriety.

Its "shock art"...and the emphasis is on shock...cause I don't even think the folks making it think its art either. They're "making a statement".

And you know full well that I understand this as the "dark side" of freedom...and that its necessary to endure. I don't go, don't give it my money...vote with my feet.

Same with satellite radio. Stern went there. I will not. Again, voting with my feet.
If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. Fudd's First Law of Opposition

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New ROFL... Come now, Beep!
I actually agree - but 'shock art' is a form of communication as well.

My point was that this whole 'tempest' was caused by our own 'private dick''s laying a background for censoring art (probably in the name of saving the cheeeldrun).

Imric's Tips for Living
  • Paranoia Is a Survival Trait
  • Pessimists are never disappointed - but sometimes, if they are very lucky, they can be pleasantly surprised...
  • Even though everyone is out to get you, it doesn't matter unless you let them win.


Nothing is as simple as it seems in the beginning,
As hopeless as it seems in the middle,
Or as finished as it seems in the end.
 
 
New Oh, come on now - 'Saving the Cheeeldrun' is . . .
. . so "Last Century". Surely there must be a way to link "art" and "objective beauty" to the pressing need for National Security.
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New Here's how:
Art - appreciated by the loyal (I'm feeling uplifted just looking at it. Or I've got flatulence. One or t'other):

[image|http://www.skylinepictures.com/Freedo1.jpg||||]

Shit - viewers are terrorists and could do with a good arresting:

[image|http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/f4/The_Scream.jpg/463px-The_Scream.jpg||The work of a left-wing mentalist||]


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New why dont you like the picture of a labrador wearing a coat?
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New Gah! I've seen "Glory to CPSU"posters that were better made.

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     A declaration of humanism - (marlowe) - (67)
         I don't hate humanity - (ben_tilly) - (1)
             Oh, you're soooo intolerant. - (marlowe)
         What I want to hear from you is . . . - (Andrew Grygus) - (1)
             Your confusion of opinion with reality... - (marlowe)
         Im glad you support legalizing drugs and prostitution - (boxley)
         Fascist-humanist - (JayMehaffey) - (4)
             There's a little thing called logic. - (marlowe) - (3)
                 Then how - (JayMehaffey)
                 Rules in society aren't black and white. - (Another Scott)
                 You just heard of it? - (tuberculosis)
         Zero grasp of basic economic theory - (tuberculosis)
         Okay now I have more time to address your concerns - (boxley) - (52)
             It was nice of you to do that - (bepatient) - (51)
                 +5 Insightful - (jb4) - (1)
                     I'm gonna say it again - (jake123)
                 I don't know much about art... - (marlowe) - (48)
                     Define objective. Define beauty. - (Another Scott) - (5)
                         You really need "objective" defined for you? - (marlowe) - (4)
                             Define "objective beauty". - (pwhysall) - (2)
                                 Objective beauty == oxymoron - (jbrabeck) - (1)
                                     I know that and you know that. - (pwhysall)
                             you havnt answered why the people you date arnt objectively - (boxley)
                     give me a break, look at the women(or men) you date - (boxley)
                     I like motorway intersections, integrated circuits and fonts - (pwhysall)
                     Don't know much about history... - (jb4)
                     I don't think so, pal. - (bepatient) - (1)
                         Who you callin' "sir"?!? - (jb4)
                     Or anything else it seems -NT - (tuberculosis)
                     I'm surprised at you - (GBert)
                     Why does a humanist care about the madonna? -NT - (warmachine) - (1)
                         why does anyone care about madonna? -NT - (boxley)
                     Re: I don't know much about art... - (pwhysall) - (32)
                         I, on the other hand, - (jbrabeck) - (7)
                             Objective beauty of art? That's too easy! - (GBert) - (6)
                                 And someone called *me* snarky -NT - (drewk) - (3)
                                     Well, they were right... - (jb4) - (2)
                                         How about "table-driven snarky"? OOP is a lie! -NT - (drewk) - (1)
                                             Alright! Who stole Drew's ID and is holding it for ransom? -NT - (jb4)
                                 Objective beauty is soviet era art with american flags -NT - (boxley) - (1)
                                     I believe Rand has a nice collection of that -NT - (drewk)
                         So, please, tell me. Is there such "thing" as beauty? - (Arkadiy) - (23)
                             Point = missed. - (pwhysall) - (7)
                                 Not really missed - (Arkadiy) - (1)
                                     Yeah, you have. - (pwhysall)
                                 I have to apologise here - (Arkadiy) - (4)
                                     You're still missing the point - (pwhysall) - (1)
                                         those pictures are loverly - (boxley)
                                     The Pontiac Aztek has a face... - (jb4) - (1)
                                         Grargh. - (pwhysall)
                             Independent from the observer? No. - (bepatient) - (14)
                                 I guess I have to agree - (Arkadiy) - (1)
                                     And I with you - (bepatient)
                                 s /Van Gogh/Rembrandt perhaps? -NT - (Another Scott) - (1)
                                     Yeah...my bad. -NT - (bepatient)
                                 Not I - (jbrabeck) - (9)
                                     Its a huge painting - (bepatient) - (8)
                                         Yabbut - (imric) - (7)
                                             And we will burn that which fails the test! - (pwhysall)
                                             Um... - (bepatient) - (5)
                                                 ROFL... Come now, Beep! - (imric) - (4)
                                                     Oh, come on now - 'Saving the Cheeeldrun' is . . . - (Andrew Grygus) - (3)
                                                         Here's how: - (pwhysall) - (2)
                                                             why dont you like the picture of a labrador wearing a coat? -NT - (boxley)
                                                             Gah! I've seen "Glory to CPSU"posters that were better made. -NT - (Arkadiy)
         Me too! Give me a break too! - (rcareaga) - (2)
             For those of you who need a dictionary - (broomberg) - (1)
                 Calumny! -NT - (pwhysall)

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