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Post #257,020 by Arkadiy 5/28/06 11:59:35 AM Reply	I have to apologise here As Beep reminded me, I made a huge assumption about you, an assumption that I would not make about, say, mmoffitt. I assumed that you and I are the same "type" of observer, and in our discussion only that particular type matters. I was wrong. You are indeed a different type. No discussion about beauty is possible between us. And you were right, the "objective beaty" does not exist as far as you and I are concerned. We are too different. I have to ask you another question, though. Is there anything that some people call "beautiful" that you would call "ugly" (Pontiac Aztec not included)? In the area of art, I mean. ------ 179. I will not outsource core functions. -- [link\|http://omega.med.yale.edu/~pcy5/misc/overlord2.htm\|.]
Post #257,034 by pwhysall 5/28/06 9:23:24 PM Reply	You're still missing the point The point was not whether I can have a discussion about beauty with anyone; I just picked three things that I know I find beautiful but which are probably examples of the kind of thing that wreck Marlowe's "There is an objective standard of beauty" argument - it takes a particular kind of brain to regard Jesu's music as beautiful. Art that some people call beautiful but which I regard as ugly? Roy Lichtenstein. Andy Warhol. Jackson Pollock. Pop Art in general. I also regard most naive art as fairly horrible. Stuff like [link\|http://images.google.com/images?svnum=100&hl=en&lr=&safe=off&c2coff=1&client=safari&rls=en-us&q=naive+art&btnG=Search\|this]. Peter [link\|http://www.no2id.net/\|Don't Let The Terrorists Win] [link\|http://www.kuro5hin.org\|There is no K5 Cabal] [link\|http://guildenstern.dyndns.org\|Home] Use P2P for legitimate purposes!
Post #257,189 by boxley 5/30/06 1:44:21 PM Reply	those pictures are loverly Of course I like dogs playing poker on black velvet so what do I know. thanx, bill Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free american and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 50 years. meep
Post #257,185 by jb4 5/30/06 1:08:15 PM Reply	The Pontiac Aztek has a face... ...(and an arse) only a GM designer could love.... jb4 "So don't pay attention to the approval ratings that say 68% of Americans disapprove of the job this man is doing. I ask you this, does that not also logically mean that 68% approve of the job he's not doing? Think about it. I haven't." — Stephen Colbert, at the White House Correspondent's Dinner 29Apr06
Post #257,201 by pwhysall 5/30/06 2:07:24 PM Reply	Grargh. That's grim. Peter [link\|http://www.no2id.net/\|Don't Let The Terrorists Win] [link\|http://www.kuro5hin.org\|There is no K5 Cabal] [link\|http://guildenstern.dyndns.org\|Home] Use P2P for legitimate purposes!

A declaration of humanism - (marlowe) - (67) - April 23, 2006, 03:43:54 PM EDT

I don't hate humanity - (ben_tilly) - (1) - April 23, 2006, 04:06:36 PM EDT

Oh, you're soooo intolerant. - (marlowe) - May 7, 2006, 06:40:40 PM EDT

What I want to hear from you is . . . - (Andrew Grygus) - (1) - April 23, 2006, 05:36:42 PM EDT

Your confusion of opinion with reality... - (marlowe) - May 7, 2006, 06:46:22 PM EDT

Im glad you support legalizing drugs and prostitution - (boxley) - April 23, 2006, 05:40:29 PM EDT

Fascist-humanist - (JayMehaffey) - (4) - April 23, 2006, 05:51:10 PM EDT

There's a little thing called logic. - (marlowe) - (3) - May 7, 2006, 07:19:19 PM EDT

Then how - (JayMehaffey) - May 7, 2006, 08:06:28 PM EDT

Rules in society aren't black and white. - (Another Scott) - May 7, 2006, 08:47:57 PM EDT

You just heard of it? - (tuberculosis) - May 8, 2006, 07:23:17 PM EDT

Zero grasp of basic economic theory - (tuberculosis) - April 24, 2006, 12:50:29 AM EDT

Okay now I have more time to address your concerns - (boxley) - (52) - April 24, 2006, 03:00:03 AM EDT

It was nice of you to do that - (bepatient) - (51) - April 24, 2006, 09:19:02 AM EDT

+5 Insightful - (jb4) - (1) - April 24, 2006, 01:58:09 PM EDT

I'm gonna say it again - (jake123) - April 24, 2006, 02:49:17 PM EDT

I don't know much about art... - (marlowe) - (48) - May 7, 2006, 06:44:42 PM EDT

Define objective. Define beauty. - (Another Scott) - (5) - May 7, 2006, 07:26:20 PM EDT

You really need "objective" defined for you? - (marlowe) - (4) - May 21, 2006, 06:29:26 PM EDT

Define "objective beauty". - (pwhysall) - (2) - May 21, 2006, 06:37:37 PM EDT

Objective beauty == oxymoron - (jbrabeck) - (1) - May 21, 2006, 08:57:41 PM EDT

I know that and you know that. - (pwhysall) - May 22, 2006, 03:09:50 AM EDT

you havnt answered why the people you date arnt objectively - (boxley) - May 22, 2006, 08:24:44 AM EDT

give me a break, look at the women(or men) you date - (boxley) - May 7, 2006, 07:51:39 PM EDT

I like motorway intersections, integrated circuits and fonts - (pwhysall) - May 8, 2006, 01:50:05 AM EDT

Don't know much about history... - (jb4) - May 8, 2006, 11:34:53 AM EDT

I don't think so, pal. - (bepatient) - (1) - May 10, 2006, 12:43:42 PM EDT

Who you callin' "sir"?!? - (jb4) - May 10, 2006, 02:12:25 PM EDT

Or anything else it seems -NT - (tuberculosis) - May 12, 2006, 03:48:23 AM EDT

I'm surprised at you - (GBert) - May 17, 2006, 11:06:05 AM EDT

Why does a humanist care about the madonna? -NT - (warmachine) - (1) - May 22, 2006, 02:47:20 AM EDT

why does anyone care about madonna? -NT - (boxley) - May 22, 2006, 08:25:30 AM EDT

Re: I don't know much about art... - (pwhysall) - (32) - May 22, 2006, 08:36:23 AM EDT

I, on the other hand, - (jbrabeck) - (7) - May 22, 2006, 09:57:04 AM EDT

Objective beauty of art? That's too easy! - (GBert) - (6) - May 22, 2006, 11:14:37 AM EDT

And someone called *me* snarky -NT - (drewk) - (3) - May 22, 2006, 11:52:46 AM EDT

Well, they were right... - (jb4) - (2) - May 22, 2006, 02:25:11 PM EDT

How about "table-driven snarky"? OOP is a lie! -NT - (drewk) - (1) - May 22, 2006, 02:31:08 PM EDT

Alright! Who stole Drew's ID and is holding it for ransom? -NT - (jb4) - May 22, 2006, 02:32:31 PM EDT

Objective beauty is soviet era art with american flags -NT - (boxley) - (1) - May 22, 2006, 02:51:02 PM EDT

I believe Rand has a nice collection of that -NT - (drewk) - May 22, 2006, 02:54:10 PM EDT

So, please, tell me. Is there such "thing" as beauty? - (Arkadiy) - (23) - May 27, 2006, 07:26:43 PM EDT

Point = missed. - (pwhysall) - (7) - May 28, 2006, 03:12:39 AM EDT

Not really missed - (Arkadiy) - (1) - May 28, 2006, 11:17:27 AM EDT

Yeah, you have. - (pwhysall) - May 28, 2006, 09:25:52 PM EDT

I have to apologise here - (Arkadiy) - (4) - May 28, 2006, 11:59:35 AM EDT

You're still missing the point - (pwhysall) - (1) - May 28, 2006, 09:23:24 PM EDT

those pictures are loverly - (boxley) - May 30, 2006, 01:44:21 PM EDT

The Pontiac Aztek has a face... - (jb4) - (1) - May 30, 2006, 01:08:15 PM EDT

Grargh. - (pwhysall) - May 30, 2006, 02:07:24 PM EDT

Independent from the observer? No. - (bepatient) - (14) - May 28, 2006, 11:36:05 AM EDT

I guess I have to agree - (Arkadiy) - (1) - May 28, 2006, 11:47:55 AM EDT

And I with you - (bepatient) - May 28, 2006, 11:59:25 AM EDT

s /Van Gogh/Rembrandt perhaps? -NT - (Another Scott) - (1) - May 28, 2006, 12:08:16 PM EDT

Yeah...my bad. -NT - (bepatient) - May 28, 2006, 12:20:25 PM EDT

Not I - (jbrabeck) - (9) - May 28, 2006, 02:03:07 PM EDT

Its a huge painting - (bepatient) - (8) - May 28, 2006, 05:54:29 PM EDT

Yabbut - (imric) - (7) - May 28, 2006, 06:31:51 PM EDT

And we will burn that which fails the test! - (pwhysall) - May 28, 2006, 09:27:26 PM EDT

Um... - (bepatient) - (5) - May 29, 2006, 12:52:31 PM EDT

ROFL... Come now, Beep! - (imric) - (4) - May 29, 2006, 06:09:12 PM EDT

Oh, come on now - 'Saving the Cheeeldrun' is . . . - (Andrew Grygus) - (3) - May 29, 2006, 06:25:01 PM EDT

Here's how: - (pwhysall) - (2) - May 29, 2006, 06:35:41 PM EDT

why dont you like the picture of a labrador wearing a coat? -NT - (boxley) - May 30, 2006, 01:47:36 PM EDT

Gah! I've seen "Glory to CPSU"posters that were better made. -NT - (Arkadiy) - June 4, 2006, 12:28:30 PM EDT

Me too! Give me a break too! - (rcareaga) - (2) - May 7, 2006, 11:46:07 PM EDT

For those of you who need a dictionary - (broomberg) - (1) - May 8, 2006, 12:01:30 AM EDT

Calumny! -NT - (pwhysall) - May 8, 2006, 01:46:51 AM EDT

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