I think it is OK if some cars don't follow the rules...

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by ben_tilly

11/30/05 6:28:00 PM

I think it is OK if some cars don't follow the rules...

I remember seeing some simulations that said that if 30% of cars were using the technology, that you got some nice improvement.

I remember thinking that if the highways became a bit better, a lot of people would switch back to them for their commute, and they would get worse again.

I've never seen anyone try to quantify that though.

Cheers,
Ben

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Gentle(men|women), I present to you: A Big Hairy Puff - (pwhysall) - (118) - Nov. 29, 2005, 04:05:06 PM EST

The automatic transmission is an abomination. - (Andrew Grygus) - (64) - Nov. 29, 2005, 04:25:15 PM EST

No, no, no, you don't understand. - (admin) - (62) - Nov. 29, 2005, 04:29:26 PM EST

LOL -NT - (SpiceWare) - Nov. 29, 2005, 04:31:21 PM EST

:-D -NT - (Another Scott) - Nov. 29, 2005, 04:56:29 PM EST

IFS!___IFS! -NT - (Ashton) - Nov. 29, 2005, 05:08:57 PM EST

Actually a pretty good metaphor - (drewk) - (58) - Nov. 30, 2005, 09:47:41 AM EST

Re: Actually a pretty good metaphor - (pwhysall) - (57) - Nov. 30, 2005, 10:08:03 AM EST

that argument doesnt wash - (boxley) - (11) - Nov. 30, 2005, 10:21:53 AM EST

Cars are just like trains, Box. - (pwhysall) - Nov. 30, 2005, 10:46:35 AM EST

Traction motors == no clutch - (jb4) - (9) - Nov. 30, 2005, 12:39:09 PM EST

No they don't - the track has control. - (Andrew Grygus) - (8) - Nov. 30, 2005, 12:44:54 PM EST

Erm...Huh?!? - (jb4) - (7) - Nov. 30, 2005, 01:26:40 PM EST

Reading with comprehension? - (jake123) - (6) - Nov. 30, 2005, 01:31:36 PM EST

I guess that depends on what the definition of... - (jb4) - (5) - Nov. 30, 2005, 01:37:52 PM EST

Yes, I meant the external environment - sorry to be unclear. - (Andrew Grygus) - (4) - Nov. 30, 2005, 01:42:54 PM EST

Understood. However, you may not have heard about... - (jb4) - (3) - Nov. 30, 2005, 02:59:25 PM EST

Trying to stop 21,000,000# plus consist... - (folkert) - (2) - Dec. 1, 2005, 12:12:19 PM EST

It was a commuter train. - (jb4) - (1) - Dec. 2, 2005, 02:26:10 PM EST

FRED... fergot about it. - (folkert) - Dec. 2, 2005, 10:33:26 PM EST

Enjoy it while you can. - (Another Scott) - (30) - Nov. 30, 2005, 10:39:33 AM EST

Riiight. - (pwhysall) - (18) - Nov. 30, 2005, 10:45:19 AM EST

GM used that excuse for years against anti-lock brakes - (drewk) - (17) - Nov. 30, 2005, 12:22:54 PM EST

Icy conditions? Sure, no problem here - (jake123) - (4) - Nov. 30, 2005, 12:37:11 PM EST

You can't steer while locked up -NT - (drewk) - (3) - Nov. 30, 2005, 12:39:53 PM EST

Yeah, and on black ice or hydroplaning - (jake123) - (2) - Nov. 30, 2005, 01:01:32 PM EST

Congratulations, you've described the 1% case - (drewk) - (1) - Nov. 30, 2005, 01:00:26 PM EST

Not 1% up here, Drew. - (jake123) - Nov. 30, 2005, 01:05:19 PM EST

Of course I have antilock. - (pwhysall) - (10) - Nov. 30, 2005, 01:38:07 PM EST

Re: Of course I have antilock. - (Steve Lowe) - (9) - Nov. 30, 2005, 03:20:44 PM EST

and early autos did have ignition control . . . - (Andrew Grygus) - (8) - Nov. 30, 2005, 03:26:01 PM EST

Now I understand the helmet! -NT - (jbrabeck) - Nov. 30, 2005, 03:32:11 PM EST

Yup, that was my point - (drewk) - (6) - Nov. 30, 2005, 03:38:31 PM EST

If you want to control *anything*... - (pwhysall) - (3) - Nov. 30, 2005, 03:46:36 PM EST

You didn't say, "This is one thing I'd like to control." - (drewk) - (2) - Nov. 30, 2005, 03:50:43 PM EST

Programmers. So damned literal all the time. - (pwhysall) - (1) - Nov. 30, 2005, 03:56:41 PM EST

But it doesn't - (drewk) - Nov. 30, 2005, 05:22:58 PM EST

No, I'm not that much of a control freak. - (Andrew Grygus) - (1) - Nov. 30, 2005, 04:00:10 PM EST

ICLRPD (new thread) - (Steve Lowe) - Dec. 1, 2005, 12:08:14 AM EST

Dupe - (pwhysall) - Nov. 30, 2005, 01:39:51 PM EST

I'm not sure I want a "highway that drives itself" ;-) -NT - (jb4) - (10) - Nov. 30, 2005, 12:43:30 PM EST

Luddite. ________________________________________________;-) -NT - (Another Scott) - Nov. 30, 2005, 02:02:28 PM EST

I do - (tuberculosis) - (8) - Nov. 30, 2005, 04:36:05 PM EST

That I don't want - (ben_tilly) - (4) - Nov. 30, 2005, 05:35:48 PM EST

But if *everyone* had that feature ... -NT - (drewk) - (3) - Nov. 30, 2005, 05:52:40 PM EST

Then we would all get car sick - (ben_tilly) - (2) - Nov. 30, 2005, 06:19:43 PM EST

I assumed distance by speed - (drewk) - (1) - Nov. 30, 2005, 06:24:01 PM EST

I think it is OK if some cars don't follow the rules... - (ben_tilly) - Nov. 30, 2005, 06:28:00 PM EST

Actually, I'd just as soon the highway stays put.... -NT - (jb4) - (2) - Nov. 30, 2005, 05:43:20 PM EST

But, The Roads Must Roll. -NT - (Silverlock) - (1) - Dec. 1, 2005, 09:11:31 AM EST

Ever on and on. - (admin) - Dec. 1, 2005, 09:52:07 AM EST

(somewhat) Rhetorical question: - (jb4) - Nov. 30, 2005, 12:29:07 PM EST

Peter, on this topic you are an idiot - (ben_tilly) - (9) - Nov. 30, 2005, 01:14:07 PM EST

This does rather remind me of Todd's many diatribes... - (jb4) - Nov. 30, 2005, 01:29:57 PM EST

Complete piffle. - (pwhysall) - (4) - Nov. 30, 2005, 01:32:59 PM EST

So what you're saying is... - (ben_tilly) - (2) - Nov. 30, 2005, 01:52:23 PM EST

If you want to reframe what I said without reading it, yes. - (pwhysall) - (1) - Nov. 30, 2005, 02:10:52 PM EST

I read it - (ben_tilly) - Nov. 30, 2005, 05:32:49 PM EST

And I've already pointed out that people are different. - (admin) - Nov. 30, 2005, 01:53:32 PM EST

Dupe -NT - (pwhysall) - (2) - Nov. 30, 2005, 01:39:13 PM EST

Looks like Peter keeps double-clutching his mouse -NT - (drewk) - (1) - Nov. 30, 2005, 03:28:04 PM EST

ICLRPD (new thread) - (static) - Nov. 30, 2005, 08:23:56 PM EST

Does FULL control over vehicle include - (jbrabeck) - Nov. 30, 2005, 03:30:16 PM EST

Yep, downshifting - (SpiceWare) - (1) - Nov. 30, 2005, 04:31:55 PM EST

My auto has a button just for that - (tuberculosis) - Nov. 30, 2005, 04:34:38 PM EST

Sane? That clearly makes them totally inappropriate . . . - (Andrew Grygus) - Nov. 29, 2005, 04:48:31 PM EST

we dont need no steenking clutches, get the revs right -NT - (boxley) - Nov. 29, 2005, 06:41:46 PM EST

He's complaining about the wrong problem. - (static) - (1) - Nov. 29, 2005, 06:43:01 PM EST

Traction motors for cars! Yessss! -NT - (jb4) - Nov. 29, 2005, 06:57:13 PM EST

What a freak. - (inthane-chan) - (10) - Nov. 29, 2005, 06:49:59 PM EST

Tachometer? - (Yendor) - Nov. 29, 2005, 08:18:02 PM EST

We weren't aware that you were missing yours :-) -NT - (imqwerky) - Nov. 29, 2005, 11:44:05 PM EST

Why'd you buy an auto then, you ninny? -NT - (pwhysall) - (7) - Nov. 30, 2005, 01:41:51 AM EST

When you have $1500 for a reliable car, you can't be picky. -NT - (inthane-chan) - (6) - Nov. 30, 2005, 10:46:46 AM EST

Shurely a manual is *cheaper*? - (pwhysall) - (4) - Nov. 30, 2005, 10:48:00 AM EST

Note the phrase "reliable". - (inthane-chan) - (1) - Nov. 30, 2005, 12:01:27 PM EST

I can relate to that - (Nightowl) - Nov. 30, 2005, 08:49:46 PM EST

When new, yes - (drewk) - (1) - Nov. 30, 2005, 12:21:47 PM EST

Ezzzakly. - (Andrew Grygus) - Nov. 30, 2005, 01:08:43 PM EST

Dude. I have the site for *you*. - (pwhysall) - Nov. 30, 2005, 02:14:52 PM EST

Would you believe ... I drive an automatic!:) - (Meerkat) - Nov. 30, 2005, 06:54:31 AM EST

Stick shift - (dmcarls) - (30) - Nov. 30, 2005, 09:03:50 AM EST

You should be "involved"... - (pwhysall) - (24) - Nov. 30, 2005, 09:10:27 AM EST

Where's your ignition timing control? - (drewk) - Nov. 30, 2005, 09:48:29 AM EST

There is "involved" and then there is "Involved" - (admin) - (8) - Nov. 30, 2005, 09:58:18 AM EST

Other circumstances, also. - (Steve Lowe) - (6) - Nov. 30, 2005, 10:37:27 AM EST

That's exceptional, though, innit? - (pwhysall) - (5) - Nov. 30, 2005, 10:46:58 AM EST

Nope - stop and go driving is where the automatic shines - (tuberculosis) - (4) - Nov. 30, 2005, 12:43:17 PM EST

Bingo - (ben_tilly) - Nov. 30, 2005, 01:06:32 PM EST

I just said I prefer a manual in traffic. - (pwhysall) - (2) - Nov. 30, 2005, 01:34:28 PM EST

Crap automatic vs nice manual - (ben_tilly) - (1) - Nov. 30, 2005, 01:45:10 PM EST

250 miles, up the A1, Friday afternoon. - (pwhysall) - Nov. 30, 2005, 01:49:42 PM EST

You obviously do NOT live anywhere near Chicago: - (jb4) - Nov. 30, 2005, 12:47:30 PM EST

Sheesh, Peter! You should know better... - (CRConrad) - (1) - Nov. 30, 2005, 10:34:01 AM EST

Why? Didn't Ford invent the car? - (jbrabeck) - Nov. 30, 2005, 10:40:53 AM EST

Amen, My Son - but Attention on What, exactly.. - (Ashton) - (11) - Dec. 1, 2005, 02:30:12 AM EST

Well, (corrected Nuvolari) had transmission problems too - (Andrew Grygus) - (10) - Dec. 1, 2005, 10:53:16 AM EST

Yea, Tazio! an Italian tenor with fast wheels. - (Ashton) - (9) - Dec. 1, 2005, 06:51:31 PM EST

Speaking of virtuosity - (drewk) - (3) - Dec. 1, 2005, 07:31:27 PM EST

Zowie! -NT - (Another Scott) - Dec. 1, 2005, 10:32:03 PM EST

dancing with motorcycles -NT - (cforde) - Dec. 1, 2005, 11:20:38 PM EST

Re: Speaking of virtuosity - (Ashton) - Dec. 2, 2005, 04:24:43 AM EST

Or, in the words of Ferdinand Porsche . . . - (Andrew Grygus) - (4) - Dec. 1, 2005, 08:10:34 PM EST

Would that some film exists (?) - (Ashton) - (3) - Dec. 2, 2005, 04:34:08 AM EST

Who here reads Hungarian? 21 kB .img - (Another Scott) - (2) - Dec. 2, 2005, 08:08:08 AM EST

Comprehensive site in English . . . - (Andrew Grygus) - (1) - Dec. 2, 2005, 08:21:19 AM EST

While we're reminiscing... (new thread) - (pwhysall) - Dec. 2, 2005, 08:32:12 AM EST

On being involved... - (dmcarls) - Nov. 30, 2005, 10:59:10 AM EST

Yeah, and we know damned well what that 'other things' is. - (Andrew Grygus) - (3) - Nov. 30, 2005, 01:18:02 PM EST

Er, no. - (admin) - (2) - Nov. 30, 2005, 01:57:52 PM EST

There's always those pesky exceptions aren't there? -NT - (Andrew Grygus) - (1) - Nov. 30, 2005, 01:59:27 PM EST

Whoops. - (admin) - Nov. 30, 2005, 02:01:20 PM EST

manual transmission becomes second nature - (SpiceWare) - (2) - Nov. 30, 2005, 04:25:19 PM EST

It does but I get more tired with 2 feet on 3 pedals vs 1-1 - (tuberculosis) - (1) - Nov. 30, 2005, 04:27:35 PM EST

True - (SpiceWare) - Nov. 30, 2005, 04:38:51 PM EST

Hey! HTF am I supposed to..... - (n3jja) - (3) - Nov. 30, 2005, 07:00:28 PM EST

Just leave the brake on. -NT - (ben_tilly) - Nov. 30, 2005, 08:12:53 PM EST

too early, missed the f in shift -NT - (boxley) - (1) - Dec. 1, 2005, 08:45:30 AM EST

A missed shift grinds gears in Box -NT - (Andrew Grygus) - Dec. 1, 2005, 10:54:14 AM EST

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