There is "involved" and then there is "Involved"

Post #236,525 by admin 11/30/05 9:58:18 AM Reply	There is "involved" and then there is "Involved" My wife and stick shifts are anathema to each other. She doesn't have the involvement to spare when she's driving a car, as it just isn't her forte. Anything that allows her to spend more time on the actual task at hand (steering, paying attention to the road, not running down pedestrians, etc.), and less doing unnecessarily manual things like shifting, is all to the good. That being said, I prefer a manual when I'm not a) in traffic or b) in bad weather. Regards, -scott anderson "Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."
Post #236,534 by Steve Lowe 11/30/05 10:37:27 AM Reply	Other circumstances, also. A few years ago, we had 2 cars that were both sticks, an old Chevy pickup and a Nissan Sentra. My wife had to have surgery on her left foot, and afterward could no longer drive a stick because it would cause pain in her foot. I sold the truck and bought a minivan so we'd have a car she could drive and I took over the Nissan. After driving a stick for 10 years in traffic, when we had to replace the Nissan, it was with an automatic. I'll take an automatic for commuting in traffic any day. -- Steve [link\|http://www.ubuntulinux.org\|Ubuntu]
Post #236,540 by pwhysall 11/30/05 10:46:58 AM Reply	That's exceptional, though, innit? I prefer a manual in traffic, too. Peter [link\|http://www.no2id.net/\|Don't Let The Terrorists Win] [link\|http://www.kuro5hin.org\|There is no K5 Cabal] [link\|http://guildenstern.dyndns.org\|Home] Use P2P for legitimate purposes!
Post #236,553 by tuberculosis 11/30/05 12:43:17 PM Reply	Nope - stop and go driving is where the automatic shines I usually buy manuals, but the current jalopy has auto and I prefer it when all you are doing is letting off the brake periodically to let the car creep up another 30 yards. "Whenever you find you are on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect" --Mark Twain "The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of thinking we were at when we created them." --Albert Einstein "This is still a dangerous world. It's a world of madmen and uncertainty and potential mental losses." --George W. Bush
Post #236,563 by ben_tilly 11/30/05 1:06:32 PM Reply	Bingo I have a slight preference for automatics - I'd prefer to focus on the road rather than the car. But I have a huge preference for automatics in rush hour traffic. Cheers, Ben I have come to believe that idealism without discipline is a quick road to disaster, while discipline without idealism is pointless. -- Aaron Ward (my brother)
Post #236,578 by pwhysall 11/30/05 1:34:28 PM Reply	I just said I prefer a manual in traffic. I did stop-n-go for 250 miles up the A1 a few Fridays back in an auto, and it was hell. I did it the following Friday in a manual, and it was much better. Gimme a clutch rather than a loud pedal for low-speed control any day of the week. Peter [link\|http://www.no2id.net/\|Don't Let The Terrorists Win] [link\|http://www.kuro5hin.org\|There is no K5 Cabal] [link\|http://guildenstern.dyndns.org\|Home] Use P2P for legitimate purposes!
Post #236,586 by ben_tilly 11/30/05 1:45:10 PM Reply	Crap automatic vs nice manual Which is then compared by a manual devotee. Not entirely a fair comparison. I'm also suspecting that if you did 250 miles of "stop and go" in one day, that it wasn't stop and go in the sense that I think of it. When I think stop and go I think of traffic which is varying between 5 and 20. When I do that in a manual I wind up stuck in second moving a speeds where I'd rather be in first, or else in first at speeds where I'd rather be in second but I'm not going to shift because I know that shortly I'll be better off in first. In a decent automatic I don't have an issue. Cheers, Ben I have come to believe that idealism without discipline is a quick road to disaster, while discipline without idealism is pointless. -- Aaron Ward (my brother)
Post #236,588 by pwhysall 11/30/05 1:49:42 PM Reply	250 miles, up the A1, Friday afternoon. Horrible, I tell ye! Queues of 6 miles into a roundabout. There's a couple of dozen of these, then there's the fact that there's roadworks, and the entire sodding population of London heads North on Friday afternoons, and yes, it's 5-20MPH for the majority of it. It took me six and a half hours. Not a pleasant trip in ANY car. The manual was crap, too. Pug 407. Powerful-ish above 50MPH, but notchy as fook and gutless in the low/midrange. But it had a CLUTCH. Peter [link\|http://www.no2id.net/\|Don't Let The Terrorists Win] [link\|http://www.kuro5hin.org\|There is no K5 Cabal] [link\|http://guildenstern.dyndns.org\|Home] Use P2P for legitimate purposes!
Post #236,557 by jb4 11/30/05 12:47:30 PM Reply	You obviously do NOT live anywhere near Chicago: where all they have is a) traffic and b) bad weather! Which are the top two reasons why I drive automatics exclusively. jb4 shrub●bish (Am., from shrub* + rubbish, after the derisive name for America's 43 president; 2003) n. 1. a form of nonsensical political doubletalk wherein the speaker attempts to defend the indefensible by lying, obfuscation, or otherwise misstating the facts; GIBBERISH. 2. any of a collection of utterances from America's putative 43rd president. cf.* BULLSHIT

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