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Post #230,623
by drewk
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10/24/05 9:58:20 AM
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New That "link" doesn't work
There's no schema at http://schemas.microsoft.com/office/word/2003/wordml. In fact there's nothing at http://schemas.microsoft.com. At least nothing useful.
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Post #230,627
by folkert
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10/24/05 10:24:30 AM
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New Well, duuuh.
Its only proposed. And by gummit, it'll be kept that way.
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SELECT * FROM scog WHERE ethics > 0;

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Post #230,637
by drewk
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10/24/05 10:58:03 AM
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New Point was ...
If it's supposed to be a reference to the proposal, it would be nice to see what they're actually proposing.
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Post #230,639
by Andrew Grygus
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10/24/05 11:05:37 AM
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New Sorry, that's proprietary.
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Post #230,685
by Steve Lowe
10/24/05 3:59:33 PM
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New ICLRPD: Sorry, that's proprietary. (new thread)
Created as new thread #230684 titled [link|/forums/render/content/show?contentid=230684|ICLRPD: Sorry, that's proprietary.]
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Post #230,649
by folkert
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10/24/05 12:32:14 PM
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New That is on a knead to know baseless.
All your dough are belonging to us. Anything else is pointless.

Or as Grygus said, that proprietary information. I am guessing you'll need to sign an NDA for that.
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Yeah, but 10s of Trillions of US Dollars?
SELECT * FROM scog WHERE ethics > 0;

0 rows returned.
Post #230,668
by altmann
10/24/05 3:15:36 PM
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New knead this
My example was actually of the existing WordML format for Word 2003. The docs can be downloaded here:
[link|http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyId=FE118952-3547-420A-A412-00A2662442D9&displaylang=en|http://www.microsoft...D9&displaylang=en]

There are binary chunks in that format (it is a single xml format unline OO.org); things like graphics, VBA projects, OLE objects, and some other special Word features, but most of it is actual individual elements and attributes with actual primitive data types in text form.


Below is a preview of the schemas for the new default document formats for Office 12:
[link|http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyId=15805380-F2C0-4B80-9AD1-2CB0C300AEF9&displaylang=en|http://www.microsoft...F9&displaylang=en]

Note that these formats are much like the OO.org ones. They are a number of XML files bundled with graphics (in standard formats) and some binary chunks (like OLE embedded objects and VBA projects) compressed into a ZIP file.



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Post #230,787
by folkert
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10/25/05 9:33:11 AM
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New I would love to download those references...
but, I need to verify I am using a WGA certified Operating System, plus it is in .msi format.

WTF, does this mean I am locked out? Effectively Yes.

Is this a good thing? No.
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Yeah, but 10s of Trillions of US Dollars?
SELECT * FROM scog WHERE ethics > 0;

0 rows returned.
Post #230,669
by altmann
10/24/05 3:19:43 PM
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New It's a URI. It doesn't have to.
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Post #230,788
by folkert
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10/25/05 10:04:03 AM
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New But, how are
verification programs or format checking programs supposed to reference the the DTD describing the "format"?

Lets make sure we understand, a URL is a URI.

And why doesn't Microsoft have a schema similarly available for its XML format?

Oh, here is the OASIS Stuff for ODT:
  • [link|http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/12571/OpenDocument-schema-v1.0-os.rng|Open Documnet Schema]
  • [link|http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/12570/OpenDocument-manifest-schema-v1.0-os.rng|Open Document Manifest Schema]
  • [link|http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/12569/OpenDocument-strict-schema-v1.0-os.rng|Open Document Strict Schema]
  • [link|http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/12572/OpenDocument-v1.0-os.pdf|For those who want the PDF]
So, I guess, you now understand what I mean (I hope)

And here is a good DTD for XML in any case:
[link|http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema.dtd|W3C's XML Schema DTD] and [link|http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema-datatypes|W3C's XML Schema Datatypes]
Which is a good place to start.
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Yeah, but 10s of Trillions of US Dollars?
SELECT * FROM scog WHERE ethics > 0;

0 rows returned.
     Dave Winer thinks Microsoft is in the right about its XML. - (static) - (40) - Oct. 13, 2005, 09:56:07 PM EDT
         Dave Winer is pretty much a numbskull anyway. - (CRConrad) - Oct. 13, 2005, 03:50:00 AM EDT
         He's surprised? - (Andrew Grygus) - Oct. 13, 2005, 05:21:47 AM EDT
         You get the Bob Award for the day. - (Yendor) - (24) - Oct. 13, 2005, 08:44:34 AM EDT
             We need a weecode for this. -NT - (pwhysall) - (4) - Oct. 13, 2005, 10:47:43 AM EDT
                 No, we REALLY don't - (hnick) - (3) - Oct. 13, 2005, 11:36:02 AM EDT
                     Hear, Hear! -NT - (imric) - Oct. 13, 2005, 12:00:59 PM EDT
                     How about us polite pedants? -NT - (drewk) - (1) - Oct. 13, 2005, 12:08:56 PM EDT
                         Well, if you're polite enough, you won't need it... :) -NT - (hnick) - Oct. 13, 2005, 12:40:08 PM EDT
             It's a special case - (ChrisR) - (17) - Oct. 13, 2005, 05:22:33 PM EDT
                 Except that the possessive of "it" is "its" not "it's" - (drewk) - (5) - Oct. 13, 2005, 05:36:22 PM EDT
                     Not quite the right reason - (jake123) - (4) - Oct. 13, 2005, 05:40:31 PM EDT
                         Its? It's stupid! - (ben_tilly) - (3) - Oct. 13, 2005, 05:55:27 PM EDT
                             Not that hard to tell - (jake123) - (1) - Oct. 13, 2005, 05:57:18 PM EDT
                                 It's ambiguous - (ben_tilly) - Oct. 13, 2005, 05:59:55 PM EDT
                             Ahh, YAN argument for Victor Borge's Audible Punctuation :-) -NT - (Ashton) - Oct. 13, 2005, 06:26:49 PM EDT
                 Fascinating, how so many native speakers of English... - (CRConrad) - (9) - Oct. 15, 2005, 05:08:38 PM EDT
                     Hey.. it's like this-yere - (Ashton) - Oct. 15, 2005, 10:41:35 PM EDT
                     its is a polit way to write "grunt" -NT - (boxley) - Oct. 15, 2005, 10:42:45 PM EDT
                     I's will do it at each and every possible opportunity now.. - (hnick) - (6) - Oct. 16, 2005, 09:03:14 AM EDT
                         (I think we found Hugh's button.) - (Another Scott) - (1) - Oct. 16, 2005, 10:19:30 AM EDT
                             MWHAAHAAAA!! -NT - (hnick) - Oct. 16, 2005, 11:47:33 AM EDT
                         "Pisces", perhaps? HTH! - (CRConrad) - (1) - Oct. 16, 2005, 05:03:26 PM EDT
                             ...as in "off"? - (pwhysall) - Oct. 16, 2005, 05:08:42 PM EDT
                         Halleluiah! - (imqwerky) - Oct. 16, 2005, 05:39:23 PM EDT
                         Yabut.. the scary part is - - (Ashton) - Oct. 17, 2005, 06:07:56 AM EDT
                 Ooops! CRC gets all medieval on yer ass! -NT - (jb4) - Oct. 17, 2005, 05:35:06 PM EDT
             D'oh. Fixed. - (static) - Oct. 13, 2005, 09:57:34 PM EDT
         Microsoft XML Sample - (tuberculosis) - (12) - Oct. 21, 2005, 04:23:02 PM EDT
             That's what the OpenDocument guys are complaining about. -NT - (static) - Oct. 23, 2005, 10:43:49 PM EDT
             Re: Microsoft XML Sample - (altmann) - (10) - Oct. 24, 2005, 03:07:44 AM EDT
                 That "link" doesn't work - (drewk) - (9) - Oct. 24, 2005, 09:58:20 AM EDT
                     Well, duuuh. - (folkert) - (6) - Oct. 24, 2005, 10:24:30 AM EDT
                         Point was ... - (drewk) - (5) - Oct. 24, 2005, 10:58:03 AM EDT
                             Sorry, that's proprietary. -NT - (Andrew Grygus) - (1) - Oct. 24, 2005, 11:05:37 AM EDT
                                 ICLRPD: Sorry, that's proprietary. (new thread) - (Steve Lowe) - Oct. 24, 2005, 03:59:33 PM EDT
                             That is on a knead to know baseless. - (folkert) - (2) - Oct. 24, 2005, 12:32:14 PM EDT
                                 knead this - (altmann) - (1) - Oct. 24, 2005, 03:15:36 PM EDT
                                     I would love to download those references... - (folkert) - Oct. 25, 2005, 09:33:11 AM EDT
                     It's a URI. It doesn't have to. -NT - (altmann) - (1) - Oct. 24, 2005, 03:19:43 PM EDT
                         But, how are - (folkert) - Oct. 25, 2005, 10:04:03 AM EDT

None more embeddeder, I'd say.
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