Post #230,242
10/20/05 4:23:07 PM
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I feel like I'm being strangled when I wear a tie
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Post #230,247
10/20/05 4:32:19 PM
10/21/05 4:46:12 AM
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I feel businesslike when I'm wearing one.
To each their own, I suppose.
Edit: I was tired.
Peter
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Edited by pwhysall
Oct. 21, 2005, 04:46:12 AM EDT
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Post #230,256
10/20/05 4:46:48 PM
10/20/05 5:44:08 PM
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Ditto
I did a presentation on "dress" with both ends... business casual and business formal (coat and tie or suit). In each case, the "suit" was deemed more believeable, reliable, accurate, trustworthy, and convincing. Even when the casual was the expert.
And as Andrew stated, the tie allows him to bill and extra $20/hr. With the tie, you're professional. Without you're just "good".
I only were ties when I am going to be making a senior management presentation.
A good friend will come and bail you out of jail ... but, a true friend will be sitting next to you saying, "Damn...that was fun!"
Edited by jbrabeck
Oct. 20, 2005, 05:44:08 PM EDT
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Post #230,265
10/20/05 4:56:14 PM
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So they become ties in the full moon?
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Post #230,321
10/21/05 2:20:19 AM
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Yeah, well, but isn't that a *stupid* feeling?
I mean, WTF is there about wearing a strangulation device that *logically* implies you're better at whatever business it is you're in?
(And it's "to each their own", BTW. If you think about it, you'll notice that this, as opposed to your version, actually makes sense. HTH.)
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Post #230,326
10/21/05 4:14:18 AM
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If you're get'n strangled . . .
. . you don't know how to tie one. A proper Windsor knot in a tie of decent quality bulks up sufficiently it can be loose enough without looking loose.
Sure, you can go without the symbols and prove yourself on merit, it's just a whole lot easier if merit is presumed until you screw the pooch - monumentally (and someties even after).
Narrow ties make you look like an idiot even when narrow ties are the fashion (they're making you look like an idiot so they can sell you an expensive new fashion next year). Real men do not buy narrow ties - ever.
The tip of a tie should touch the belt line, no shorter and no longer. Never wear the same tie two days in a row and discard any tie that is even slightly soiled (new ones cost about the same as the cleaners want to ruin an old one).
A "power tie" makes you look like a crook. If you're dealing with MBAs that's fine, but anyone else (particularly the SEC) will probably notice.
In consulting, ties are second only to the Prime Directive - "Never let them see you sweat".
Are ties and absurdity? Of course they are, as is just about everything else in human social conventions. Ridicule and obey - or suffer the consequences.
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Post #230,327
10/21/05 4:52:20 AM
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Not at all.
Your argument can lead to people turning up to work in bananaphone outfits, because that's what they feel comfortable in.
Dressing appropriately for work has no direct effect on the work I do - I'm exactly as stupid in a suit as out of one - but it sends a signal to my cow-orkers, the customer, and the people in other organisations who are working with me that I'm taking the job seriously, and that I'm taking them seriously.
Of course, all this can be ruined within seconds of opening my mouth, but first impressions count, and they last.
It never hurts to grease the wheels.
And as Andrew points out, a properly tied tie (I favour a half-Windsor knot, myself) need not be in any way uncomfortable.
Peter
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Post #230,331
10/21/05 8:06:15 AM
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Ring Ring Ring Ring Ring Ring Ring. :-D
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Post #230,334
10/21/05 9:45:45 AM
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Clean Coveralls with a nametag give the same impression of
competance and are much cooler in summer and more comfortable, Have you ever seen spock in a tie?
thanx,
bill
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Post #230,335
10/21/05 9:57:23 AM
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On the shop floor, sure.
Peter
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Post #230,353
10/21/05 11:26:35 AM
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And you can collect the brooms people hand you.
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Post #230,370
10/21/05 1:22:11 PM
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The "opening your mouth" comment is more true there
Accents don't have nearly the social clout in the USA that they do in England. (I was discussing this the other day with a co-worker who grew up in England.)
Cheers,
Ben
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Post #230,407
10/21/05 4:15:38 PM
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Thing of the past, by and large.
Peter
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Post #230,330
10/21/05 8:05:07 AM
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Appearances matter. 24 kB .imgs.
Ties are part of the traditional business uniform. Since so much of business is sales of some sort (even if only selling yourself internally), it is logical to conform to societal and business norms in such an environment.
One can go overboard trying to follow Molloy's [link|http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0446385522/002-9111084-6142456|Dress for Success] (e.g. fabrics change), but the general principles still stand.
Who looks like a better fit in a traditional business environment?
[image|http://www.photospin.com/content/photos/full/0550039.jpg|0|Man in suit|201|123] [image|http://paulkatcher.com/images/car_salesman.jpg|0|Man with no tie|201|160]
;-)
With all that said, wearing a tie these days isn't as standard as it was in the days when IBM people wore white shirts and black ties. And few things look stranger than a junior underling in a company wearing a tie or a suit every day when no one else short of senior management wears a tie. But I'd say if more than about 20% (maybe even 10%) of your peers wear ties, then you should too. (The devil's in how you define "peers".)
Cheers,
Scott.
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Post #230,365
10/21/05 12:01:51 PM
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For me it's a matter of habit.
I've worked long stints where I've had to wear a tie. After a while it just seems natural. I've also worked jobs where jeans and t-shirts were the norm and when I'm there, ties are the devil. And I've also worked where I had to wear a uniform, which in some ways has it's advantages as the company is paying to clothe you. Mostly I've found these things run in cycles, as a labor shortage usually results in relaxation of the dress code.
It might be nice if clothes didn't have connotations of stature or invoke prejudice, but the fact is that they do. Heck, just the shoes you wear are used by others to judge your place in the pecking order. And if you came to work sporting piercings, tatoos and hip-hop clothes (pants that come up to about your knees), you will definitely raise eyebrows among the conservative yuppies.
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Post #230,253
10/20/05 4:42:05 PM
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You are
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Post #230,266
10/20/05 4:59:46 PM
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Only if you let it be that way.
If a tie or not alters the way you work so much, you have problems.
Peter
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Post #230,290
10/20/05 8:01:49 PM
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pehaps its comfortable because you have a neck :0
"the reason people don't buy conspiracy theories is that they think conspiracy means everyone is on the same program. Thats not how it works. Everybody has a different program. They just all want the same guy dead. Socrates was a gadfly, but I bet he took time out to screw somebodies wife" Gus Vitelli
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Post #230,296
10/20/05 8:58:34 PM
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More likely a pencil neck
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Post #230,254
10/20/05 4:42:55 PM
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I'm so used to it I don't notice it.
I'm the only guy in town noted for pulling cable wearing a tie. Typical client comment: "Would you take off that tie, you're making me feel hot damnit".
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Post #230,259
10/20/05 4:48:01 PM
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Know the feeling.
I think it mostly has to do, in my case, with poorly fiting shirts. I have the choice of wearing a sack with a big enough neck or a nicely fitted shirt with a neck that's too tight.
Custom shirts are something I've thought about, but never long enough to do something about it before the next time I needed to wear a tie.
Cheers,
Scott.
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Post #230,263
10/20/05 4:51:13 PM
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Get ONE nice fitted shirt for those special occassions.
It DOES make a difference.
And if you're getting ONLY one, make it white. Can go with every suit and tie.
A good friend will come and bail you out of jail ... but, a true friend will be sitting next to you saying, "Damn...that was fun!"
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Post #230,268
10/20/05 5:04:45 PM
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I'm with ya.
18 inch neck, 32/33 inch sleeve.
Once in a while, I can find a shirt that actually fits. But like you, I don't really wear 'em often enough to make that much of a difference.
-YendorMike
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- Benjamin Franklin, 1759 Historical Review of Pennsylvania
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Post #230,262
10/20/05 4:50:12 PM
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Your instincts are functioning normally, then.. Ties Kill
It may be a tad exaggerated by some - that bit about cutting off oxygen to the brain. But I think, only slightly. The vanity of keeping the neck-size of shirts often a bit tight, is reinforced as - the tie is not to have a gap, either.
If that assembly isn't a ~noose around jugular, carotid .. what else? My thesis:
A sane body Notices such encroachment and likely reacts psychologically beyond the actual 'threat' - with consequences (in suppression of the instinct) we may only surmise.
(Whether or not style-vanity + shirt-neck sizing + ties can %explain the PHB -- remains an open question for the statisticians.)
Possibly a movement to dangle a dead (stuffed?) vole in lieu - could, in aggregate: prevent the next war (?) An oxy-starved brain produces Cranky jelloware, and helps manufacture more Repos, I wot. A tie is as archaic as a prayer (!) at the opening of a feeding frenzy, in a chamber full of politicians.
Subliminal message mandated for every TV commercial, under My Rulez:
Ties Kill... Kill Ties... Ties Kill... Kill Ties... Ties Kill... Kill Ties...
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Post #230,269
10/20/05 5:23:11 PM
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It is not exaggerated
In studies done on pilots, they found that wearing tight ties cut measurably reduced peripheral vision.
Cheers,
Ben
I have come to believe that idealism without discipline is a quick road to disaster, while discipline without idealism is pointless. -- Aaron Ward (my brother)
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Post #230,277
10/20/05 5:55:14 PM
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Try wearing a bra
Until then, you have nothing to complain about..
Follow your muse
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Post #230,278
10/20/05 6:01:52 PM
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Well I don't insist that women wear bras...
I have come to believe that idealism without discipline is a quick road to disaster, while discipline without idealism is pointless. -- Aaron Ward (my brother)
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Post #230,283
10/20/05 6:34:28 PM
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So what kind of bra is required for business wear?
Underwire? Sports? Pushup? Half cup?
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Post #230,286
10/20/05 7:02:29 PM
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You're just looking to improve your work fantasies.
I have come to believe that idealism without discipline is a quick road to disaster, while discipline without idealism is pointless. -- Aaron Ward (my brother)
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Post #230,287
10/20/05 7:11:47 PM
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Nope, just curious
No women in high heels here
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Post #230,336
10/21/05 10:00:07 AM
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Since you asked
Full coverage. Nothing should show through ones clothes, especially lacy, frilly bits or ones own...ummm.. bits. It should match the color of ones top. If one is wearing a sheer top, then a camisole is required, which should also match the color of ones top.
A suggestion of cleavage is okay. Showing actual cleavage is not.
And dont even get me started on panty lines, panty hose and what to do with open-toed shoes.
And you guys bitch about ties. Sheesh.
Follow your muse
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Post #230,341
10/21/05 10:14:03 AM
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Pah.
A rough wardrobe day here is one on which I actually have to bust out the iron because the shirt I want to wear with my jeans has been rolled up in a basket for a week.
I wore suits for the first 4 years of my professional career. Never again.
Regards,
-scott anderson
"Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."
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Post #230,342
10/21/05 10:24:23 AM
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You iron?
If I buy something for anyone in this house that needs to be ironed, it is worn once and never worn again. It sits in the ironing pile until it goes out of style or until someone outgrows it.
I dont have the time or the patience to stand over an ironing board. This is probably a reaction to watching my mother obessively iron everything in our house while growing up- including underwear and jeans. Nothing like going to school with a nice crease in your panties and jeans. Thanks a lot, Mom.
Follow your muse
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Post #230,357
10/21/05 11:36:48 AM
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irons are needed for tshirt transfers only
"the reason people don't buy conspiracy theories is that they think conspiracy means everyone is on the same program. Thats not how it works. Everybody has a different program. They just all want the same guy dead. Socrates was a gadfly, but I bet he took time out to screw somebodies wife" Gus Vitelli
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Post #230,358
10/21/05 11:38:30 AM
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Have to ask
How did anyone notice the crease in the panties? ;-)
A good friend will come and bail you out of jail ... but, a true friend will be sitting next to you saying, "Damn...that was fun!"
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Post #230,373
10/21/05 1:50:23 PM
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Nobody did.
I was a good Catholic girl, remember.
Follow your muse
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Post #230,375
10/21/05 1:54:06 PM
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You think none of us ever "knew" Catholic girls?
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Post #230,396
10/21/05 3:44:35 PM
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Well, nobody knew me until I was 20.
Follow your muse
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Post #230,422
10/21/05 5:08:56 PM
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*CRACKLE*That's a TMI violation in sector 4-b*POP*
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Post #230,472
10/22/05 10:57:33 AM
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Double standard! Double standard!
When Box routinely shares his escapades you dont bat an eye. But my rather mild disclosure gets a TMI violation?
I guess I'll keep the story of me and the 3 bikers to myself.
(Gotcha! I was never with 3 bikers!)
At least not at the same time.....
(Ha! Gotcha again!)
Okay, it was really one biker....
(you see where this is going, dont you?)
Follow your MOUSE
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Post #230,474
10/22/05 11:43:50 AM
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No, there's nothing standard about the Box
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Post #230,478
10/22/05 12:29:58 PM
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we just didnt want to know about all that wasted time,
interferes with our fantasies :-)
thanx,
bill
"the reason people don't buy conspiracy theories is that they think conspiracy means everyone is on the same program. Thats not how it works. Everybody has a different program. They just all want the same guy dead. Socrates was a gadfly, but I bet he took time out to screw somebodies wife" Gus Vitelli
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Post #230,482
10/22/05 12:36:32 PM
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So....
it was 3 times with one biker?
/me gives up trying to insert Zappa into the discussion. (unless he was in the toolshed with a wrench in his pocket ;-)
If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. Fudd's First Law of Opposition
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Post #230,495
10/22/05 3:55:46 PM
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I got tired of being offended by him a long time ago
I have come to believe that idealism without discipline is a quick road to disaster, while discipline without idealism is pointless. -- Aaron Ward (my brother)
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Post #230,507
10/22/05 6:09:10 PM
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Re: Double standard! Biker bashing!
We bikers are a misunderestimated lot.. why some of us have read Proust, listen to symphony orchestras and even bathe before massacrees (lest anyone catch anything.)
Happy Motorcyclists LLC
With bugs in our teeth
;^>
(Them effete 4-wheel coffin-jockeys are just envious of our delicate sense of balance and our PhDs in animal husbandry, with the minor in the pseudonymous Works of Kirkeg\ufffdrd)
As Sam Goldwyn said, "I'm sick of the old cliches. Bring me some new cliches."
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Post #230,516
10/22/05 8:03:43 PM
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Yeah, I majored in animal husbandry . . .
. . 'till they caught me at it. They told me I had to transfer to the State College of Agriculture up in Logan for that sort of thing, but I decided to leave Utah entirely. Great state though, only state where you can marry as many sheep as you want.
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Post #230,570
10/23/05 3:34:47 PM
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On the contrary
I have a little thing for bikers. The last time I was on the back of a Honda I hit my leg on the exhaust pipe and got a 2nd degree burn. The scar is finally starting to fade. It was worth it!
Follow your MOUSE
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Post #230,638
10/24/05 11:05:15 AM
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Nope.
I just know that Box would ignore me. :D
When somebody asks you to trade your freedom for security, it isn't your security they're talking about.
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Post #230,423
10/21/05 5:13:42 PM
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Now I have Lyle Lovett running through my head...
Nobody knows me / Like my baby...
Cheers,
Ben
I have come to believe that idealism without discipline is a quick road to disaster, while discipline without idealism is pointless. -- Aaron Ward (my brother)
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Post #230,426
10/21/05 6:36:22 PM
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Irish Catholic girls....... ah.... the memories..... ;-)
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Post #230,430
10/21/05 6:45:30 PM
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Where are they now? Will they all take a bow!
All the way.....thats the way they go!
If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. Fudd's First Law of Opposition
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Post #230,437
10/21/05 8:56:11 PM
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Agreed
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Post #230,454
10/22/05 1:27:45 AM
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Let's hear it for my German Catholic brethren.
Now, they know how to party!
Frieden, Liebschens!
Amy
Oh Freddled Gruntbuggly!
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Post #230,517
10/22/05 8:07:11 PM
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Not like les quebecois
Trust me on this.
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Post #230,380
10/21/05 2:09:24 PM
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And I was a good Catholic boy... ;-)
A good friend will come and bail you out of jail ... but, a true friend will be sitting next to you saying, "Damn...that was fun!"
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Post #230,436
10/21/05 8:55:48 PM
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Every (work) day.
I guess this means I'm different and strange, but so be it :)
Ironing doesn't bother me, I just do one business shirt each morning for work. I don't know how people can work through baskets of ironing for hours though - that'd do my head in.
Two out of three people wonder where the other one is.
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Post #230,439
10/21/05 9:33:26 PM
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That's what I did when I had to
I still hated it though.
Cheers,
Ben
I have come to believe that idealism without discipline is a quick road to disaster, while discipline without idealism is pointless. -- Aaron Ward (my brother)
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Post #230,442
10/21/05 10:35:44 PM
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spend a couple of pence on wrinkle free shirts
the cost of electricity to run the iron will pay for itself.
thanx,
bill
"the reason people don't buy conspiracy theories is that they think conspiracy means everyone is on the same program. Thats not how it works. Everybody has a different program. They just all want the same guy dead. Socrates was a gadfly, but I bet he took time out to screw somebodies wife" Gus Vitelli
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Post #230,443
10/21/05 11:07:26 PM
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Yick
Need all cotton shirts.
Wrinkle free are part plastic.
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Post #230,469
10/22/05 10:47:24 AM
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Or buy that Downy wrinkle release spray
That's what I use. Just spray it on, smooth the fabric out with your hands, you're good to go. And it smells good, too.
Follow your muse
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Post #230,475
10/22/05 11:47:19 AM
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But it doesn't do creases
I usually iron my pants, but mostly wear polo shirts that don't need ironing. Like Bill, ironing one piece of cloting a day doesn't bother me.
Actually, I do most of the ironing in our house. If we're going out somewhere nice my wife will ask me to iron her outfit. I figure if she's washing stuff every day, I can iron once in a while.
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Post #230,592
10/23/05 10:28:59 PM
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I don't mind ironing a basketful.
I used to do that about once a week before I got married. Used the time to catch up on videos I recorded, mostly Dr. Who. Nowadays, neither of us just has the time. Besides, it doesn't do my wife's back any good, which is why she avoids it. So we're paying someone to iron, for the moment.
Wade.
"Insert crowbar. Apply force."
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Post #230,616
10/24/05 8:19:01 AM
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Actually find it rather relaxing
Same with cleaning the pool during the summer.
Pick a quiet time or just blot out the rest with the iPod.
If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. Fudd's First Law of Opposition
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Post #230,745
10/24/05 11:10:28 PM
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*nod*
Or mowing the lawn. Or vacuuming the carpets. My wife needed an escape like the other night. So she swept the outside concrete (it needed it anyway).
Wade.
"Insert crowbar. Apply force."
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Post #230,382
10/21/05 2:21:45 PM
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Panty lines? Isn't that a reason for thongs?
OK, maybe it's much easier to dress if you're a man. Even when "big" events come up, like what to wear to a good friend's wedding next week (at least I'm not in the wedding party, nor is my wife -- then it'd get expensive).
Of course, there was the former male cow-orker who seemed to have about twenty pairs of tennis shoes of the same style, in different colors - maybe even pink.
Tony
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Post #230,394
10/21/05 3:32:44 PM
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Thongs! Dont you even get me started on thongs!
You try walking around all day flossing your backside and then tell me what you think of thongs.
Follow your muse
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Post #230,398
10/21/05 3:48:21 PM
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Off topic
I can't hold it in any longer. Every time I see your .sig, I read it as "Follow your mouse" and then have to look a second time.
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George W. Bush and his PNAC handlers sent the US into Iraq with lies. I find myself rethinking my opposition to the death penalty.
--Donald Dean Richards Jr.
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Post #230,400
10/21/05 3:50:42 PM
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I'll ask
my wife, but IIRC she only wears them for concerts, but even then only if it is a really big one.
I'm happy to say she rarely wears high heels.
But what's up with a lot of women wearing flip flops? Isn't a shoe that falls off easily kind of difficult to wear for eight hours?
Tony
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Post #230,404
10/21/05 4:07:23 PM
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Really big what?
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Post #230,416
10/21/05 4:32:32 PM
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Flip flops? I thought we were talking about bras.
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Post #230,427
10/21/05 6:42:29 PM
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bras hold the flip flops
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Post #230,429
10/21/05 6:44:28 PM
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thats a sign of age!
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Post #230,288
10/20/05 7:27:10 PM
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Preferred by CIEIOS everywhere -
(I hear..) is the model,
Why can't a woman be more like a man!?
{sung impetuously}
Seriously, folks - a biz suit (male or female) is meant to stuff a healthy multi-mobile human body into a constricted {try moving arms over your head} hierarchical Fashion-statement / {Ugh.. Power-Ties!} Uniform.
That there is so little of that vaunted 'democracy' thing in choices of attire, surely is consistent with the rest of the homogenization. Men and women can look just Fine in a huge variety of coverings - you just couldn't tell so easily what the salaries are (if never quite.. who has the smarts that should go with the $$.)
But WTF - Windows is still popular, no matter how often it breaks and what that costs; so much for the prospects of change in other rote office-habits.
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Post #230,314
10/20/05 11:25:17 PM
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If it'll get me a raise, hm.
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