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Post #227,038 by tuberculosis 9/29/05 1:29:36 AM Reply	Bull Bottom line is this dog didn't come when it was called and it WAS called on time. "Whenever you find you are on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect" --Mark Twain "The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of thinking we were at when we created them." --Albert Einstein "This is still a dangerous world. It's a world of madmen and uncertainty and potential mental losses." --George W. Bush
Post #227,060 by bepatient 9/29/05 8:44:44 AM Reply	You still ignore the rules. And I have YET to speak to a first responder who disagrees...and I know quite a few. They know how the system works. But the hue and cry was clear...the ARMED FORCES were to be called to restore order. That is simply NOT the way it is supposed to work. And when proposed... well here we are. If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. _{Fudd's First Law of Opposition} [link\|mailto:bepatient@aol.com\|BePatient]
Post #227,087 by jb4 9/29/05 10:49:45 AM 9/29/05 10:51:24 AM Reply	Whose hue? Whose cry? Doesn't that felt tipped pen with which you so conveniently rewrite history ever run dry?!? The hue and cry (I've got to get it straight that it's "hue" and not "hew"...) was for getting relief supplies in place quickly...you know, that nasty stuff like food, water, ice (which your boy Brownie said was soooo unnecessary) blankets, cots, sanitation facilities.... There was no "hue and cry" for military until, after some three days without the above-listed necessities, order broke down. You see, BeeP, if the most basic needs of the populace (yes, even the poor populace) are properly met, the need for M-16's tends to be exponentially reduced. But of course, The Berk hasn't met a problem that an Armored personnel carrier couldn't fix...(Well, there is that little dust-up in some hobunk little country in the Middle East, but we don't want to go there, now do we?) So we have to ask ourselves, who's doing the hueing and crying that you're constantly referring to? Certainly not the people who were not served during the disaster (and the disaster that followed the disaster). Certainly not those who were completely overwhelmed by the magnitude of the disaster vis-a-vis the resources available to help. And not those "first responders' you raise as the strawman-du-seconde. NO, I only hear your hue and cry from those who have absolutely no interest in actually serving those whom they are charged with serving, but rather from those who only want to rule. Interesting how you would champion the ruling part, but not the serving part. jb4 shrub●bish (Am., from shrub* + rubbish, after the derisive name for America's 43 president; 2003) n. 1. a form of nonsensical political doubletalk wherein the speaker attempts to defend the indefensible by lying, obfuscation, or otherwise misstating the facts; GIBBERISH. 2. any of a collection of utterances from America's putative 43rd president. cf.* BULLSHIT Edited by jb4 Sept. 29, 2005, 10:51:24 AM EDT Expand All History
Post #227,097 by tuberculosis 9/29/05 11:28:04 AM Reply	Which Armed Forces? which armed forces? US Military or National Guard? National Guard's belong to the state - or they're supposed to. They're paid for by the states (which is another sore point about deploying them to Iraq - your STATE taxes are being hijacked for that fiasco). Anyhow, I support Bush being given nothing above clerk powers. "Whenever you find you are on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect" --Mark Twain "The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of thinking we were at when we created them." --Albert Einstein "This is still a dangerous world. It's a world of madmen and uncertainty and potential mental losses." --George W. Bush
Post #227,182 by ben_tilly 9/29/05 5:53:18 PM Reply	Do you need me to get my cousin's contact info? I have numerous cousins who are firefighters in the Oregon area. While I haven't talked to them about this issue, I know them well enough to know what their opinion is going to be. So if you really need to talk to a first responder who disagrees, that can be arranged. Cheers, Ben I have come to believe that idealism without discipline is a quick road to disaster, while discipline without idealism is pointless. -- Aaron Ward (my brother)

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