IQ Test

High IQ societies such as MENSA don't pay much attention to date. For instance MENSA's cutoff is 1250 on math+verbal prior to May, 1994, and 1875 on math+verbal+analytical after that date. However I know that there have been shifts in how the test is scaled. For instance Ultranet's admission criteria is 1610 on math+verbal in the GRE. But when I took it, both sections were out of 800 so a combined score of 1610 was impossible. I believe that the top possible score changed in 1981, but I'm not sure of that.

If you're really fascinated with what high IQ societies you might be able to join, see [link|http://www.polymath-systems.com/intel/hiqsocs/hiqsocs2.html|http://www.polymath-...ocs/hiqsocs2.html] and then [link|http://www.polymath-systems.com/intel/hiqsocs/hiqsocs1.html|http://www.polymath-...ocs/hiqsocs1.html] for more on said societies. My GREs qualify me for all of the 1/1000 level societies, and nothing higher.

I've never been a member of any high IQ society. The toy model that I talked about at [link|http://z.iwethey.org/forums/render/content/show?contentid=185893|http://z.iwethey.org...?contentid=185893] is pretty much how I feel about IQ tests. I know that I'm intelligent. I don't believe that my abilities are anything like what an IQ score would say. And I don't particularly value people's abilities (mine included) to do well on stupid puzzles.

Cheers,
Ben

(I'm pretty sure by now - that there's an EMQ (emotional manipulation quotient) which greatly modifies all the 'IQ' numbers, in actual kid-behavior observed. It is no scalar 'quantity' - nor do I think the scalar-'IQ' is other than a monstrosity ;-)

I believe that unmeasurable facet confounds parents, teachers - who now 'expect' whatever they imagine the stupid number meant .. they should.

What I'd bet $$ on is ~
(from everything yet read and from experience of the effects of IQ conditioning in my own early experiences - while noticing the manipulators and their assumptions. And mine, occasionally..)

Any kid, not brain damaged and with normal curiosity:

A) Read-to assiduously, material of increasing subtlety (and wide enough range to finally hit more than One Interest neuron)

B) A) being managed so artfully as to reinforce (not attenuate) any nascent desire for the kid to Read for Herself. Other encouragements to that end, via exactly-matched gifts, perfectly (!) timed. Heh.

C) Abetted by the suppression of the plethora [now!] of time-wasting, repetitive games as merely hone the reflexes of the moving brain - and demand no pondering of any sort.

Ditto - re suppression of 98.3% of the Tee Vee or DVD Sales-material of car chases and NARC warz, etc. as are again, more and mere passive visual stimulation -- with the ugly toxin of anti-social what-if?s constantly intermixed and 'sold'.

D) Exposure to 'labs' - people at Work, in a variety of fields + Art + Music == meaning the Whole Range, and not just 500 pop songs. (Lots of work, some $, this one.)

Minimizing at this period: bizness, or 'labs about eliciting as much personal aggrandizement as a one can scheme' - clearly bad for any nascent psyche. (Is this even arguable?)

Prediction:

Such a kid will 'Improve' in all subsequent IQ 'tests'; improve the most, if all of A though D are followed, in principle and reliably (but short of becoming a despised ritual - by seeming to be 'scheduled' / timed / measured results.)

Natch - I believe that the IQ number is a phantasm concocted by the insidious MBA-mind within each of us; the one that thinks spreadsheets are a suitable way to manage a Society .. ensuring that the Rich group form dynasties and the many poor, never 'group' ie organize very well == all in an orderly manner.
A rather constricted/contrived idea of what 'talent' to 'measure' and why (?)

But I do not expect my POV (but not only mine) to be widely shared anytime soon: with or without the ascension of the corporatocracy into various joint theo- hyphenations; especially in our scripted 24/7 Repo Emergency for the Foreseeable. Especially Not: Now, in other words.

Oh well. No disappointment - I never expected the (IQ + its many myths) Gordian knot to be dismantled in my lifetime. (Even without the Fear-people in charge of other 'dismantlings'.)

Post #226,640 by inthane-chan 9/27/05 7:43:21 AM Reply	IQ Test [link\|http://www.psyweb.com/Assessment/IQ/IQTesting.jsp\|http://www.psyweb.co.../IQ/IQTesting.jsp] Part III is kicking my ass; will post my score when I give up trying to figure it out. Done with the rest. When somebody asks you to trade your security for freedom, it isn't your freedom they're talking about.
Post #226,665 by folkert 9/27/05 10:46:17 AM 9/28/05 1:41:21 PM Reply	What is this measured on? As I get some thing, I was not aware of. It seems to be much too personal to be coincednce. Well, I scored a: 32 underscale But I thought I didn't put my name in, yet it had it there. So, i guess I musta. So, I guess its not what anyone would think. -- [link\|mailto:greg@gregfolkert.net\|greg], [link\|http://www.iwethey.org/ed_curry\|REMEMBER ED CURRY!] @ *i_wethey* [image\|http://www.danasoft.com/vipersig.jpg\|\|\|\|] Edited by folkert Sept. 28, 2005, 01:41:21 PM EDT Expand All History
Post #226,673 by inthane-chan 9/27/05 11:47:25 AM Reply	Honestly don't know. I do know that one PhD at my wife's work got an 18... When somebody asks you to trade your security for freedom, it isn't your freedom they're talking about.
Post #226,689 by tuberculosis 9/27/05 12:32:03 PM Reply	I already know I'm an idiot I don't need some website to tell me. "Whenever you find you are on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect" --Mark Twain "The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of thinking we were at when we created them." --Albert Einstein "This is still a dangerous world. It's a world of madmen and uncertainty and potential mental losses." --George W. Bush
Post #226,693 by Steve Lowe 9/27/05 12:44:34 PM Reply	ICLRPD (new thread) Created as new thread #226692 titled [link\|/forums/render/content/show?contentid=226692\|ICLRPD] -- Steve [link\|http://www.ubuntulinux.org\|Ubuntu]
Post #226,701 by ben_tilly 9/27/05 1:04:41 PM Reply	IQ: 32 (under scale?) I suspect that it is a new test and the directions are deliberately vague - that is part of the point. I interpret "under scale" as meaning that they haven't yet figured out how to scale the test in the usual 100 + standard deviation manner, so they just say how many they think you got right out of the 45 questions that they posted. For a point of comparison, my GRE scores give (according to the estimate at [link\|http://members.shaw.ca/delajara/GREIQ.html\|http://members.shaw....lajara/GREIQ.html]) an IQ of 154-157. The stupid TICKLE test that keeps on being advertised said that I was over 145. So 32 is probably going to be a pretty good score. But just watch, Duncan will score 46 and ruin my theory about what those numbers mean. :-) Cheers, Ben I have come to believe that idealism without discipline is a quick road to disaster, while discipline without idealism is pointless. -- Aaron Ward (my brother)
Post #226,735 by GBert 9/27/05 2:47:49 PM Reply	Cool site Ben! Do GRE scores from (say) 1979 work out the same? If so, I might be pretty smart too, though still under (by a hair--drats!) the Ultranet society for the "severely gifted"... It figures: any club I'd want to belong to wouldn't be willing to have me :) Have whatever values you have. That's what America is for. You don't need George Bush for that.
Post #226,784 by ben_tilly 9/27/05 5:26:50 PM Reply	AFAIK, they do High IQ societies such as MENSA don't pay much attention to date. For instance MENSA's cutoff is 1250 on math+verbal prior to May, 1994, and 1875 on math+verbal+analytical after that date. However I know that there have been shifts in how the test is scaled. For instance Ultranet's admission criteria is 1610 on math+verbal in the GRE. But when I took it, both sections were out of 800 so a combined score of 1610 was impossible. I believe that the top possible score changed in 1981, but I'm not sure of that. If you're really fascinated with what high IQ societies you might be able to join, see [link\|http://www.polymath-systems.com/intel/hiqsocs/hiqsocs2.html\|http://www.polymath-...ocs/hiqsocs2.html] and then [link\|http://www.polymath-systems.com/intel/hiqsocs/hiqsocs1.html\|http://www.polymath-...ocs/hiqsocs1.html] for more on said societies. My GREs qualify me for all of the 1/1000 level societies, and nothing higher. I've never been a member of any high IQ society. The toy model that I talked about at [link\|http://z.iwethey.org/forums/render/content/show?contentid=185893\|http://z.iwethey.org...?contentid=185893] is pretty much how I feel about IQ tests. I know that I'm intelligent. I don't believe that my abilities are anything like what an IQ score would say. And I don't particularly value people's abilities (mine included) to do well on stupid puzzles. Cheers, Ben I have come to believe that idealism without discipline is a quick road to disaster, while discipline without idealism is pointless. -- Aaron Ward (my brother)
Post #226,742 by admin 9/27/05 2:55:59 PM Reply	I'll give it to him We've had him professionally tested (for school entry and other programs, not because we particularly agree with it) and he scores in the 180s. On the other hand, he's really bad at taking tests, so we'll see. :-P Regards, -scott anderson "Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."
Post #226,799 by ben_tilly 9/27/05 6:19:29 PM Reply	Deviation or ratio score in the 180s? If it was the "mental age ratio" that is in the 180s, then his adult IQ is likely to be in the 160s. If his percentile was 180s, then his ratio is about 2.2 or so. Either way he's damned impressive. But then we knew that. :-) [link\|http://www.geocities.com/ultrahiiq/Deviation_IQs.html\|http://www.geocities...eviation_IQs.html] gives a good explanation of the difference. Cheers, Ben I have come to believe that idealism without discipline is a quick road to disaster, while discipline without idealism is pointless. -- Aaron Ward (my brother)
Post #226,806 by admin 9/27/05 7:03:46 PM 9/27/05 7:06:14 PM Reply	Ratio, probably. Stanford-Binet test IIRC. He took it when he was 4. IQ tests obviously show something, because kids like Duncan tend to do very well on them. However, they're demonstrably not the whole picture. Duncan can be maddeningly obtuse about some things. :-P Regards, -scott anderson "Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..." Edited by admin Sept. 27, 2005, 07:06:14 PM EDT Expand All History
Post #226,814 by drewk 9/27/05 8:20:47 PM Reply	One thing "kids like Duncan" are "maddeningly obtuse" about ... is just how little IQ tests really measure. Especially when they get older, and still think IQ is meaningful. === Purveyor of Doc Hope's [link\|http://DocHope.com\|fresh-baked dog biscuits and pet treats]. [link\|http://DocHope.com\|http://DocHope.com]
Post #226,828 by Ashton 9/27/05 10:18:56 PM Reply	IQ tests and the unmeasured cute parts - (I'm pretty sure by now - that there's an EMQ (emotional manipulation quotient) which greatly modifies all the 'IQ' numbers, in actual kid-behavior observed. It is no scalar 'quantity' - nor do I think the scalar-'IQ' is other than a monstrosity ;-) I believe that unmeasurable facet confounds parents, teachers - who now 'expect' whatever they imagine the stupid number meant .. they should. What I'd bet $$ on is ~ (from everything yet read and from experience of the effects of IQ conditioning in my own early experiences - while noticing the manipulators and their assumptions. And mine, occasionally..) Any kid, not brain damaged and with normal curiosity: A) Read-to assiduously, material of increasing subtlety (and wide enough range to finally hit more than One Interest neuron) B) A) being managed so artfully as to reinforce (not attenuate) any nascent desire for the kid to Read for Herself. Other encouragements to that end, via exactly-matched gifts, perfectly (!) timed. Heh. C) Abetted by the suppression of the plethora [now!] of time-wasting, repetitive games as merely hone the reflexes of the moving brain - and demand no pondering of any sort. Ditto - re suppression of 98.3% of the Tee Vee or DVD Sales-material of car chases and NARC warz, etc. as are again, more and mere passive visual stimulation -- with the ugly toxin of anti-social what-if?s constantly intermixed and 'sold'. D) Exposure to 'labs' - people at Work, in a variety of fields + Art + Music == meaning the Whole Range, and not just 500 pop songs. (Lots of work, some $, this one.) Minimizing at this period: bizness, or 'labs about eliciting as much personal aggrandizement as a one can scheme' - clearly bad for any nascent psyche. (Is this even arguable?) Prediction: Such a kid will 'Improve' in all subsequent IQ 'tests'; improve the most, if all of A though D are followed, in principle and reliably (but short of becoming a despised ritual - by seeming to be 'scheduled' / timed / measured results.) Natch - I believe that the IQ number is a phantasm concocted by the insidious MBA-mind within each of us; the one that thinks spreadsheets are a suitable way to manage a Society .. ensuring that the Rich group form dynasties and the many poor, never 'group' ie organize very well == all in an orderly manner. A rather constricted/contrived idea of what 'talent' to 'measure' and why (?) But I do not expect my POV (but not only mine) to be widely shared anytime soon: with or without the ascension of the corporatocracy into various joint theo- hyphenations; especially in our scripted 24/7 Repo Emergency for the Foreseeable. Especially Not: Now, in other words. Oh well. No disappointment - I never expected the (IQ + its many myths) Gordian knot to be dismantled in my lifetime. (Even without the Fear-people in charge of other 'dismantlings'.)
Post #226,822 by ben_tilly 9/27/05 9:30:07 PM Reply	They measure ability at certain kinds of mental processing They don't measure ability at anything else, or motivation, or interpersonal skills or... [link\|http://www.eskimo.com/~miyaguch/grady/emptypromise.html\|http://www.eskimo.co...emptypromise.html] is an interesting essay about some studies which found that IQ alone doesn't suffice for outstanding success. Cheers, Ben I have come to believe that idealism without discipline is a quick road to disaster, while discipline without idealism is pointless. -- Aaron Ward (my brother)
Post #226,703 by imqwerky 9/27/05 1:06:32 PM Reply	I was a 29 weird test Oh Freddled Gruntbuggly
Post #226,773 by hnick 9/27/05 4:38:22 PM Reply	Me too... I have to admit that being called an ape by a web test is sort of different. I spent maybe 5 minutes on it so I don't really feel like an idiot. I can imagine people spending hours trying to 'succeed' at a bonkers test.
Post #226,707 by Yendor 9/27/05 1:18:55 PM Reply	43 -YendorMike "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." - Benjamin Franklin, 1759 Historical Review of Pennsylvania
Post #226,757 by tuberculosis 9/27/05 3:35:33 PM Reply	Freak I lack the mental stamina to draw the stretched analogies demanded. Cake is to lava as Weasel Automobile Flatulence Greed Right And WTF did (inverted) mean? Why was the last question asked twice? And don't get me started about numbers in boxes that appear to bear no relation to one another (actually I could make up several "rules" for each cluster that could work - which one to choose?). No child left behind standardized test designed to eliminate federal funding of education - that's my bet. "Whenever you find you are on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect" --Mark Twain "The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of thinking we were at when we created them." --Albert Einstein "This is still a dangerous world. It's a world of madmen and uncertainty and potential mental losses." --George W. Bush
Post #226,759 by Yendor 9/27/05 3:44:56 PM Reply	Nah Cheater. I spent a few hours with that tab in the background. Got frustrated with the tab still being open. Entered numbers into those boxes one at a time in Part 3, submitted the form, and watched my score rise. (Inverted) means flipped. So if the answer was an "L", then the (Inverted) answer would look akin to "_\|" (as a single character.) /me exists to skew their results. :) -YendorMike "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." - Benjamin Franklin, 1759 Historical Review of Pennsylvania
Post #226,775 by ben_tilly 9/27/05 4:53:01 PM Reply	Of course they are stupid And of course there are multiple answers that make sense. That's par for the course for an IQ test. It isn't about finding the right answer. It is about trying to find the answer that you think they are most likely looking for. Which sometimes means trying to second-guess the examiner's style and giving a different answer than the one that YOU think is right. What is worse is that they have so many that are clumped. If you don't figure out what they want, you'll get a whole bunch wrong in a row. That'll limit the precision of the test if they ever do get it scaled. Cheers, Ben I have come to believe that idealism without discipline is a quick road to disaster, while discipline without idealism is pointless. -- Aaron Ward (my brother)
Post #226,776 by tuberculosis 9/27/05 4:55:29 PM Reply	Ah -- then its a conformance test to see if we've got the wires in your head connected up like everybody else. "Whenever you find you are on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect" --Mark Twain "The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of thinking we were at when we created them." --Albert Einstein "This is still a dangerous world. It's a world of madmen and uncertainty and potential mental losses." --George W. Bush
Post #226,781 by mmoffitt 9/27/05 5:23:46 PM Reply	"Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority ..." bcnu, Mikem It would seem, therefore, that the three human impulses embodied in religion are fear, conceit, and hatred. The purpose of religion, one might say, is to give an air of respectibility to these passions. -- Bertrand Russell
Post #226,785 by ben_tilly 9/27/05 5:27:36 PM Reply	Not quite... It is a "predictive conformance" test. Can you figure out how the wires are likely to be hooked up in the test-writer? Cheers, Ben I have come to believe that idealism without discipline is a quick road to disaster, while discipline without idealism is pointless. -- Aaron Ward (my brother)
Post #226,749 by drewk 9/27/05 3:15:50 PM Reply	Somebody want to clue me in on part 3? I must be missing something obvious. This feels like something that once I understand what they're looking for I should be able to get them, but as it is I'm not seeing a general pattern. Oh, and to call something "IQ" based only on analogies and pattern recognition seems ... limited. FWIW I left all of part 3 blank and got a 19. Feh. === Purveyor of Doc Hope's [link\|http://DocHope.com\|fresh-baked dog biscuits and pet treats]. [link\|http://DocHope.com\|http://DocHope.com]
Post #226,825 by static 9/27/05 9:50:53 PM Reply	Got a 22. It was rather bizarre. Wade. d-_-b
Post #226,863 by cforde 9/28/05 1:50:56 AM Reply	86, in scale so what does that mean? how does it relate to anything? would I be embarrassed to know? would a cup of tea be good about now? likely, it would... Have fun, Carl Forde
Post #226,874 by Meerkat 9/28/05 8:28:41 AM Reply	32 here. No cheating. boggle Two out of three people wonder where the other one is.
Post #226,940 by Another Scott 9/28/05 1:58:06 PM Reply	Answering no questions: Score = 49. Answering all questions: Score = 34. Something doesn't quite make sense there.... Cheers, Scott.
Post #226,944 by hnick 9/28/05 2:01:39 PM Reply	The only way to win is not to play... Stolen from some movie about a doomsday computer... Seems to apply here...
Post #226,953 by Another Scott 9/28/05 2:14:44 PM Reply	Yer, right. :-) Try the other one (below).
Post #227,006 by Ashton 9/28/05 7:23:34 PM Reply	'War Games'__silly flik, but then it has lots of company now
Post #226,952 by Another Scott 9/28/05 2:14:17 PM Reply	This one seems to work better. [link\|http://www.testcafe.com/iqtest/iqtest.html\|Here]. Try to do it quickly, without paper, etc. (Average time to complete it is 12 minutes.) I got 127. I expect some of the brainiacs here to blow that out of the water. :-) Cheers, Scott.
Post #226,964 by Yendor 9/28/05 3:11:22 PM Reply	138 Didn't time myself, didn't use paper, don't put any stock in it. -YendorMike "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." - Benjamin Franklin, 1759 Historical Review of Pennsylvania
Post #226,965 by folkert 9/28/05 3:15:08 PM Reply	142 Congratulations! Your general IQ score is 142. -- [link\|mailto:greg@gregfolkert.net\|greg], [link\|http://www.iwethey.org/ed_curry\|REMEMBER ED CURRY!] @ *i_wethey* [image\|http://www.danasoft.com/vipersig.jpg\|\|\|\|]
Post #226,968 by CRConrad 9/28/05 3:35:46 PM 9/29/05 3:11:35 AM Reply	144. [Edit:] Yup, time matters: Repeated it, got 185. Remembered several from yesterday, but did some thinking about most... I think I changed one answer; the way I recall it, I answered that wrong yesterday. And I can't recall what answer I gave to the last -- totally fucking idiotic! -- one yesterday; I flipped a virtual coin in my head, both times. So it may be that I corrected this too, for two more points than yesterday; or it remained the same, so as per the above I'd have one more point than yesterday; or possibly I changed it from right to wrong, so it cancels out with the above one and I have exactly the same number of correct answers as yesterday. Any which way, it seems time is at least nearly as important for the score as the actual number of correct answers. [link\|mailto:MyUserId@MyISP.CountryCode\|Christian R. Conrad] (I live in Finland, and my e-mail in-box is at the Saunalahti company.) Your lies are of Microsoftian Scale and boring to boot. Your 'depression' may be the closest you ever come to recognizing truth: you have no 'inferiority complex', you are inferior - and something inside you recognizes this. - [link\|http://z.iwethey.org/forums/render/content/show?contentid=71575\|Ashton Brown] Edited by CRConrad Sept. 29, 2005, 03:11:35 AM EDT Expand All History
Post #227,004 by admin 9/28/05 7:10:36 PM 9/28/05 7:11:10 PM Reply	163 Stupid test, though. Pattern recognition score of 88, whatever that means. Regards, -scott anderson "Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..." Edited by admin Sept. 28, 2005, 07:11:10 PM EDT Expand All History
Post #227,010 by tuberculosis 9/28/05 7:38:37 PM Reply	Odd that Pattern recognition score of 100 - overall score 120? "Whenever you find you are on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect" --Mark Twain "The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of thinking we were at when we created them." --Albert Einstein "This is still a dangerous world. It's a world of madmen and uncertainty and potential mental losses." --George W. Bush
Post #227,011 by admin 9/28/05 7:40:32 PM Reply	NFC what that measures. Could be that pattern recognition is only a part of the overall test, though. Regards, -scott anderson "Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."
Post #227,013 by drewk 9/28/05 8:18:36 PM Reply	156 / 65 ... stupid test "If the primary colors blended in a way completely different to reality, then this particular combination would be what color?" Umm, you changed the laws of physics. There's no right answer to that one. === Purveyor of Doc Hope's [link\|http://DocHope.com\|fresh-baked dog biscuits and pet treats]. [link\|http://DocHope.com\|http://DocHope.com]
Post #227,022 by static 9/28/05 10:53:41 PM Reply	Think light filters. d-_-b
Post #227,047 by CRConrad 9/29/05 3:12:56 AM Reply	So, Photography Experience=Intelligence. What a BS question!
Post #227,017 by ben_tilly 9/28/05 9:18:00 PM Reply	Speed matters I took it the first time, but got interrupted in the middle to talk work for a bit, and got an IQ of 117. I then answered it a second time and got an IQ of 161. My answers were not what changed. Cheers, Ben I have come to believe that idealism without discipline is a quick road to disaster, while discipline without idealism is pointless. -- Aaron Ward (my brother)
Post #227,018 by Another Scott 9/28/05 9:26:37 PM Reply	Indeed. I got 160 the 2nd time (127 the first time), "your Pattern Recognition score is 88." I don't think I changed any answers. My uncle once told me: "Your IQ is the score you get on an IQ test." FWIW. :-) Cheers, Scott.
Post #227,043 by tuberculosis 9/29/05 1:46:34 AM Reply	That would explain a lot I took a break in the middle when interrupted for something or other. "Whenever you find you are on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect" --Mark Twain "The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of thinking we were at when we created them." --Albert Einstein "This is still a dangerous world. It's a world of madmen and uncertainty and potential mental losses." --George W. Bush
Post #227,023 by static 9/28/05 10:54:12 PM Reply	165. d-_-b
Post #227,034 by cforde 9/29/05 12:31:01 AM Reply	fwiw: 139 on this one no paper & no timing Have fun, Carl Forde
Post #227,035 by cforde 9/29/05 12:57:05 AM Reply	World Trivia The same site has a [link\|http://www.testcafe.com/world/\|world trivia quiz]. I scored 18/30: "..you are not a master of world history, but, on the bright side, at least you're not a dork." My vanity wants me to take that more seriously than I do the IQ score. The jury is still out on that one. Have fun, Carl Forde
Post #227,036 by ben_tilly 9/29/05 1:02:59 AM Reply	26/30 You scored 26 out of 30. This is a truly impressive score. You should be extremely proud. You have a tremendous knowledge of world history from 1501-1800. You are a motivated and intelligent person and you will go very far in life. Okay, this is where we stop giving you all the credit in the world (this is only world history, after all...) Good job, though! Cheers, Ben I have come to believe that idealism without discipline is a quick road to disaster, while discipline without idealism is pointless. -- Aaron Ward (my brother)
Post #227,042 by tuberculosis 9/29/05 1:46:05 AM Reply	24 - same message "Whenever you find you are on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect" --Mark Twain "The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of thinking we were at when we created them." --Albert Einstein "This is still a dangerous world. It's a world of madmen and uncertainty and potential mental losses." --George W. Bush
Post #227,088 by mmoffitt 9/29/05 10:52:25 AM Reply	Ditto. bcnu, Mikem It would seem, therefore, that the three human impulses embodied in religion are fear, conceit, and hatred. The purpose of religion, one might say, is to give an air of respectibility to these passions. -- Bertrand Russell
Post #227,037 by Steve Lowe 9/29/05 1:17:11 AM Reply	23/30 You scored 23 out of 30. Great Job! This is a very respectable score. Not many people score this highly. Very impressive. You should do well in life as you have a mix of intelligence, common sense, and knowledge of world history from 1501 to 1800....Still, you are not a master of world history, but, on the bright side, at least you're not a dork. Damn glad to know that I'm not a dork! (though my wife would probably argue that point!) -- Steve [link\|http://www.ubuntulinux.org\|Ubuntu]
Post #227,041 by Yendor 9/29/05 1:44:23 AM Reply	Same -YendorMike "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." - Benjamin Franklin, 1759 Historical Review of Pennsylvania
Post #227,044 by CRConrad 9/29/05 2:03:54 AM Reply	29. BTW, It's "Michelangelo" and "Garibaldi". Not "Michaelangelo" and "Garabaldi", stupid test makers. So which one did I get wrong? Answers, stupid test makers! [link\|mailto:MyUserId@MyISP.CountryCode\|Christian R. Conrad] (I live in Finland, and my e-mail in-box is at the Saunalahti company.) Your lies are of Microsoftian Scale and boring to boot. Your 'depression' may be the closest you ever come to recognizing truth: you have no 'inferiority complex', you are inferior - and something inside you recognizes this. - [link\|http://z.iwethey.org/forums/render/content/show?contentid=71575\|Ashton Brown]
Post #227,051 by Steve Lowe 9/29/05 3:45:51 AM Reply	ICLRPD: "stupid test makers!" (new thread) Created as new thread #227050 titled [link\|/forums/render/content/show?contentid=227050\|ICLRPD: "stupid test makers!"] -- Steve [link\|http://www.ubuntulinux.org\|Ubuntu]
Post #227,059 by admin 9/29/05 8:42:18 AM Reply	Same. Regards, -scott anderson "Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."
Post #227,055 by Silverlock 9/29/05 8:24:13 AM Reply	29 ----------------------------------------- George W. Bush and his PNAC handlers sent the US into Iraq with lies. I find myself rethinking my opposition to the death penalty. --Donald Dean Richards Jr.
Post #227,057 by Another Scott 9/29/05 8:33:23 AM Reply	28/30.
Post #227,073 by imqwerky 9/29/05 9:54:37 AM Reply	25/30 Oh Freddled Gruntbuggly!
Post #227,138 by Ashton 9/29/05 3:24:37 PM Reply	31/30
Post #227,164 by Steve Lowe 9/29/05 4:44:55 PM Reply	smartass -- Steve [link\|http://www.ubuntulinux.org\|Ubuntu]
Post #227,167 by a6l6e6x 9/29/05 4:49:09 PM Reply	What, you never heard of bonus points for Ashtonese? Alex The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt. -- Bertrand Russell
Post #227,178 by Ashton 9/29/05 5:43:04 PM Reply	I am soo smart I make myself sick. Fav quip of a mondo auto mechanic of my ken..
Post #227,170 by GBert 9/29/05 4:58:01 PM Reply	30/30 The first time i put "puritans" instead of "pilgrims" and only got 29, so I went back and said "pilgrims" and got 30. I think Puritans is as good an answer overall. Have whatever values you have. That's what America is for. You don't need George Bush for that.
Post #227,176 by ben_tilly 9/29/05 5:41:33 PM Reply	I thought they had that wrong! I said "Pilgrims" because I thought that was the answer that they were looking for, even though it is wrong. According to a book I read about common historical misunderstandings, the Pilgrim sect started arriving a decade after the Mayflower landed. The original group were actually English Separatist Puritans. Thanks, Ben I have come to believe that idealism without discipline is a quick road to disaster, while discipline without idealism is pointless. -- Aaron Ward (my brother)
Post #227,180 by admin 9/29/05 5:51:09 PM Reply	Well, that explains my score too then. :-P Regards, -scott anderson "Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."
Post #227,257 by CRConrad 9/30/05 7:06:22 AM Reply	I must confess, I did the same; got only 28 first time round But WTF is it that I've STILL got wrong? Feels like it must be one of the English queens. [link\|mailto:MyUserId@MyISP.CountryCode\|Christian R. Conrad] (I live in Finland, and my e-mail in-box is at the Saunalahti company.) Your lies are of Microsoftian Scale and boring to boot. Your 'depression' may be the closest you ever come to recognizing truth: you have no 'inferiority complex', you are inferior - and something inside you recognizes this. - [link\|http://z.iwethey.org/forums/render/content/show?contentid=71575\|Ashton Brown]
Post #227,026 by gdaustin 9/28/05 11:22:07 PM Reply	Age is a factor I forgot to put in my age and it gave me a 71. Then I put in my age and it dropped to 21. Interesting test. It would be nice to see the correct answers.
Post #227,260 by pwhysall 9/30/05 7:22:34 AM Reply	Hmm. What do I get for saying "IQ tests are stupid and I'm not going to do them"? Peter [link\|http://www.no2id.net/\|Don't Let The Terrorists Win] [link\|http://www.kuro5hin.org\|There is no K5 Cabal] [link\|http://guildenstern.dyndns.org\|Home] Use P2P for legitimate purposes!
Post #227,263 by Meerkat 9/30/05 8:24:28 AM Reply	The highest score ever, I'd say. Two out of three people wonder where the other one is.
Post #227,265 by Another Scott 9/30/05 8:40:38 AM Reply	A Golden Bawk Bawk Award.... ;-)
Post #227,394 by Ashton 9/30/05 4:50:48 PM Reply	Exile to Elba? (crowded boat, though)

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