What I can't understand...

Post #222,267 by danreck 9/1/05 4:18:20 PM Reply	What I can't understand... Is why the National Guard and NOPD and all the journalist aren't carrying food and fricking water after 2 and a half days... They can send hundreds of buses... Couldn't they have "filled them up" on their way in? Just a few thoughts, Danno
Post #222,270 by inthane-chan 9/1/05 4:23:52 PM Reply	It's only the poor. It's not like they're human. apt-get install godlike-powers
Post #222,272 by tuberculosis 9/1/05 4:27:19 PM 8/21/07 6:06:34 AM Reply	The National Guard is committed to helping just as soon as they get home from Iraq "Whenever you find you are on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect" --Mark Twain "The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of thinking we were at when we created them." --Albert Einstein "This is still a dangerous world. It's a world of madmen and uncertainty and potential mental losses." --George W. Bush Edited by tuberculosis Aug. 21, 2007, 06:06:34 AM EDT Expand All History
Post #222,282 by altmann 9/1/05 5:02:46 PM Reply	Re: The National Guard is committed to helping As much as enjoy bashing the current regime, 50-60% of the national guard in the affected states is still in those states and have been/are being mobilized as well as NG from other states. -- Chris Altmann
Post #222,284 by boxley 9/1/05 5:04:21 PM Reply	21k NG troops allocated now by the feds (they pay em) "the reason people don't buy conspiracy theories is that they think conspiracy means everyone is on the same program. Thats not how it works. Everybody has a different program. They just all want the same guy dead. Socrates was a gadfly, but I bet he took time out to screw somebodies wife" Gus Vitelli Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free american and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 49 years. meep questions, help? [link\|mailto:pappas@catholic.org\|email pappas at catholic.org]
Post #222,287 by drewk 9/1/05 5:17:29 PM Reply	Wow, really? So they've only sent just less than half the National Guard to Iraq. Gosh, it's a good thing nothing else bad is going to happen that might require defending some homeland. === Purveyor of Doc Hope's [link\|http://DocHope.com\|fresh-baked dog biscuits and pet treats]. [link\|http://DocHope.com\|http://DocHope.com]
Post #222,338 by altmann 9/1/05 6:57:51 PM Reply	The bigger problem might be the equipment anyways The troops might rotate back to the states but I bet the equipment stays there. -- Chris Altmann
Post #222,345 by inthane-chan 9/1/05 7:20:12 PM 9/1/05 7:20:48 PM Reply	Heard in passing on NPR - yep. And I should probably add that the funds to purchase them replacement equipment has been promised, but never delivered. Edited by inthane-chan Sept. 1, 2005, 07:20:48 PM EDT Expand All History
Post #222,274 by Nightowl 9/1/05 4:31:53 PM Reply	My opinion Maybe they thought the Red Cross and Salvation Army were doing that, but I think all agencies are swamped. Maybe they had to get there so fast there wasn't time to supply those things when they left. At any rate, I hope the food/water arrives soon, from some source, a hundred sources, anything. Those people are desperate. Brenda "Excel is to math what a Microwave Oven is to cooking!"
Post #222,277 by jake123 9/1/05 4:44:52 PM Reply	That requires planning and forethought Since, as it appears from many of the links that have been posted here already, the planning and forethought dep't. for this sort of thing having been gutted, nobody's thinking of this sort of thing. Hurricanes and other natural disasters can't be used to stampede the masses, so they've been disincentivized by the current administration. --\n-------------------------------------------------------------------\n* Jack Troughton jake at consultron.ca \n [link\|http://consultron.ca\|http://consultron.ca] [link\|irc://irc.ecomstation.ca\|irc://irc.ecomstation.ca] \n Kingston Ontario Canada [link\|news://news.consultron.ca\|news://news.consultron.ca] *\n-------------------------------------------------------------------
Post #222,297 by danreck 9/1/05 5:30:59 PM Reply	I think this is a good time to point out that when I lived in New Orleans 15 years ago, all the politicians were campaigning on "fixing the levees". It's not like it wasn't known... Check out this site [link\|http://www.publichealth.hurricane.lsu.edu/\|http://www.publichea...urricane.lsu.edu/] to see how excruciatingly accurate the detail is in the models that they have... The schools, the poor, potholes, etc. and any issue that could be used to buy votes seemed to always take precedence over "fixing the levees". If you believe that the reason this huricane response was bad was because of the "current administration", I think you are being rather simplistic and trying to politicize this tragedy. Why? While I don't like the "current administration" I think you are referring to, I really don't like the former or current administrations that have run Louisana politics (and especially New Orleans)for the past few centuries. Napoleonic law and numerous other smokescreens, deals, Huey P. Long, etc... have kept Louisana in the backwoods of America for many years. The Big Easy has been viewed as "party central" by the rest of the country for most of the last century instead of a cultural music mecca and the largest and most vital port city in the US. Here in lies the rub. Everyone talked about "the worst case scenario" of a major hurricane on New Orleans. No one really prepared for it. It was just a political football. "If the red team were in charge, then we could stop hurricanes" and other bullshit hyperbole. Jake, I think we are fighting against our human nature, not politics. It doesn't take FEMA or the National Guard or any organization with a collective IQ above 70 to determine that people who are stranded in a dome or on a roof in 95 degree heat with no food or fresh water just might be thirsty when you got there... Does the President of the United States have to tell his military officers that "they might be thirsty, bring water"? How about the Red Cross? I've been giving money to these people for years thinking they sort of knew how to handle these types of things... Maybe they weren't prepared for the scale? Maybe they thought New Orleans was "spared" and sent all the stuff to Biloxi and Mobile and Gulf Shores and all the other places (some former) first... I don't know, I'm rambling... If anyone is going to New Orleans, "please take some water with you and maybe a few bottles of Jack Daniels for once they are hydrated". Just a few thoughts, Danno
Post #222,298 by Nightowl 9/1/05 5:35:46 PM Reply	I'll tell my cousin-in-law that He's going with some friends and other people as part of an Emergency Response Team sent from Texas. They are going by boat. He's part of the Volunteer Fire Dept there as well as has helped out with other Emergency scenarios. I hope he can help, him and the whole team. Brenda "Excel is to math what a Microwave Oven is to cooking!"
Post #222,301 by danreck 9/1/05 5:44:26 PM Reply	Re: I'll tell my cousin-in-law that I'll say hi to him personally, if I get a chance. I'm trying to volunteer with the Red Cross. Last night they said to send money, "they need heavy equipment, ships and cranes, not hands". I asked them if they changed their mind... They took my information and said to stand by. Just a few thoughts, Danno
Post #222,302 by Nightowl 9/1/05 5:46:05 PM Reply	I hope you get to help It seems to mean a lot to you. His name is Rankin Ramsey. Brenda "Excel is to math what a Microwave Oven is to cooking!"
Post #222,320 by Nightowl 9/1/05 6:18:50 PM 9/1/05 6:33:27 PM Reply	Supplies and volunteers Hey Danreck, I just heard on the news that there are supplies being all packed up to ship to New Orleans, medical supplies, food, water, etc. Looks like they are mobilizing things now, maybe they just needed a little time to get it all organized. Also, in addition to my cousin-in-law Rankin Ramsey, who is going there with a Fire/Rescue crew on a boat from Texas, I also learned that my cousin-in-law Joesph Peck is being deployed to New Orlean's. He's in the military police National Guard. He is to keep people from looting. I'm amazed about my family stepping up like this, I didn't know these things about these particular people. Brenda Edit: I had meant to branch this off to the Water Cooler but I goofed. :( Sorry. "Excel is to math what a Microwave Oven is to cooking!" Edited by Nightowl Sept. 1, 2005, 06:33:27 PM EDT Expand All History
Post #222,328 by tuberculosis 9/1/05 6:31:45 PM 8/21/07 6:07:46 AM Reply	Why don't you an mmoffit fly over and drop water bottles? "Whenever you find you are on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect" --Mark Twain "The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of thinking we were at when we created them." --Albert Einstein "This is still a dangerous world. It's a world of madmen and uncertainty and potential mental losses." --George W. Bush Edited by tuberculosis Aug. 21, 2007, 06:07:46 AM EDT Expand All History
Post #223,197 by mmoffitt 9/6/05 4:37:23 PM Reply	I've got oil pressure problems at the moment. :0( bcnu, Mikem It would seem, therefore, that the three human impulses embodied in religion are fear, conceit, and hatred. The purpose of religion, one might say, is to give an air of respectibility to these passions. -- Bertrand Russell
Post #222,343 by jake123 9/1/05 7:17:16 PM 9/1/05 7:27:09 PM Reply	I'm not talking about the fact that the levees failed I'm talking about the fact that the rescue efforts post failure seem to be so badly badly organised... and that seems to be related to the fact that the usual coordinating agency (FEMA) has largely been gutted of its mandate, funding, and people by the current US administration. Edit: I gotta stop being so fast on that button. Anyway, the levees failing leaves plenty of blame to go around... and it's not particularly any better up here. It's like that guy from Holland said "over there they designed to defend against the 100 year event, but we've designed for the 10,000 year event" when he was speaking about their dike system vs. the one around New Orleans. It's a problem of vision, and it seems pretty widespread to NA... but the problem I'm talking about is specific to the aftermath and how well it's been organised. To be honest, and having seen both the CBC and the BBC version as well as the CNN version, to the outsider it looks like the poor people of the Gulf Coast and (even moreso) of New Orleans were left to literally twist in the wind. --\n-------------------------------------------------------------------\n* Jack Troughton jake at consultron.ca \n [link\|http://consultron.ca\|http://consultron.ca] [link\|irc://irc.ecomstation.ca\|irc://irc.ecomstation.ca] \n Kingston Ontario Canada [link\|news://news.consultron.ca\|news://news.consultron.ca] *\n------------------------------------------------------------------- Edited by jake123 Sept. 1, 2005, 07:27:09 PM EDT Expand All History

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