I still think this is over-reacting.

Post #222,163 by folkert 9/1/05 9:34:01 AM Reply	I still think this is over-reacting. The whole political thing is jumping on this to help. Back-stabbing-itis is already in progress. 20/20 hindsightedness is already in effect. The blame game is GAME-ON. Yeah, It is bad. Maybe worse than I thought it was, but dammint... Its all the new people that have moved down to NO,LA that are making it a mess. Iffin it was just the Cajuns in the Bayou still the way it was... they'd have brushed off the dirt, swept up the debris and get busy living again. Less than 40 years ago the primary means of a living in New Orleans was Fishing and Shipping (some would say cooking, but that is a different thang, local support). Now a days it is all about exploiting the Girls-Gone-Wild phenomena -- [link\|mailto:greg@gregfolkert.net\|greg], [link\|http://www.iwethey.org/ed_curry\|REMEMBER ED CURRY!] @ *i_wethey* [image\|http://www.danasoft.com/vipersig.jpg\|\|\|\|]
Post #222,165 by boxley 9/1/05 9:43:46 AM Reply	oil and petrochemical is the main deal, has been for a while good old days aint coming back pojo, I hear now where armed citizens are firing on rescue choppers and armed gangs are terrorizing folks in the superdome, when I saw people heading there I thought, nope dont want to be caught in that mess. Blame game is well under way. Looting and social preasures in areas not directly affected by the storm is causing rising tensions. Fuckwit locally with wheel spinners pulled a gun to jump a gas line, lucky he wasnt in a shooting mood and had his ass run off. This will cause other folks to get edgy and mount up. The poor had no way of escaping and are holding it against the better off. The other poor elsewhere watch this and start getting angry also, gonna get worse before it gets better. thanx, bill "the reason people don't buy conspiracy theories is that they think conspiracy means everyone is on the same program. Thats not how it works. Everybody has a different program. They just all want the same guy dead. Socrates was a gadfly, but I bet he took time out to screw somebodies wife" Gus Vitelli Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free american and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 49 years. meep questions, help? [link\|mailto:pappas@catholic.org\|email pappas at catholic.org]
Post #222,179 by tuberculosis 9/1/05 11:07:38 AM 8/21/07 6:04:50 AM Reply	Yep - one wonders if this will be the spark to ignite nationwide race (actually class) riots. Are the have nots pissed off enough yet? Maybe close. "Whenever you find you are on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect" --Mark Twain "The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of thinking we were at when we created them." --Albert Einstein "This is still a dangerous world. It's a world of madmen and uncertainty and potential mental losses." --George W. Bush Edited by tuberculosis Aug. 21, 2007, 06:04:50 AM EDT Expand All History
Post #222,175 by inthane-chan 9/1/05 10:56:25 AM Reply	Read this. [link\|http://forums.corvetteforum.com/showthread.php?t=1174992&forum_id=26\|http://forums.corvet...74992&forum_id=26] :( apt-get install godlike-powers
Post #222,219 by boxley 9/1/05 1:04:05 PM Reply	thin blue line erased in New Orleans, lord of the flies time "the reason people don't buy conspiracy theories is that they think conspiracy means everyone is on the same program. Thats not how it works. Everybody has a different program. They just all want the same guy dead. Socrates was a gadfly, but I bet he took time out to screw somebodies wife" Gus Vitelli Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free american and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 49 years. meep questions, help? [link\|mailto:pappas@catholic.org\|email pappas at catholic.org]
Post #222,233 by ChrisR 9/1/05 2:04:50 PM Reply	All the smart people... ...evacuated before the storm. Which means that those who are still in the city....
Post #222,242 by Another Scott 9/1/05 2:27:57 PM Reply	.. are destitute or invalids or hospitalized or ... :-(
Post #222,252 by ChrisR 9/1/05 3:15:29 PM Reply	Desperate times... ...bring out the best and worst in people. Guess I should be less judgemental. Each has their own story to tell. And their own level of frustration. I don't put that much creedance in the news reports, one way or the other. An individual is incompable of comprehending the swath of damage that's been done. Wonders what the long term implications are in terms of both engineering feats and for a united citizenry. Too early to tell, but both seem to be taking a beating at the moment.
Post #222,255 by jake123 9/1/05 3:22:26 PM Reply	I'm wondering if this event might not set off some soul searching in the US culture-at-large. Are the arson and looting going on in New Orleans going to cause some reflection on what it means to be an American? 'Course, that depends somewhat on whether your media actually do any reflection of their own. --\n-------------------------------------------------------------------\n* Jack Troughton jake at consultron.ca \n [link\|http://consultron.ca\|http://consultron.ca] [link\|irc://irc.ecomstation.ca\|irc://irc.ecomstation.ca] \n Kingston Ontario Canada [link\|news://news.consultron.ca\|news://news.consultron.ca] *\n-------------------------------------------------------------------
Post #222,258 by hnick 9/1/05 3:30:28 PM Reply	Not a chance For every disaster or riot, there has been attendant looting. It's a lot like soccer games in Europe. It just takes more to get the mopes off their asses.
Post #222,261 by Andrew Grygus 9/1/05 3:39:18 PM Reply	Didn't in Los Angeles [link\|http://www.aaxnet.com\|AAx]
Post #222,262 by ChrisR 9/1/05 3:39:31 PM Reply	Third world country Heard the comments here and there about the area having a feel of a third world country, and that gets me thinking of why we have an image of ourselves as somehow superior to the people in the 3rd world? Take away the wealth, which is what the hurricane has done, and are we any better than any other set of people? Well, the right would say that it is our industriousness and determination that sets us apart - both of which are fed by our freedom and faith. The left would say that it is our binding compassion and ability to work together that makes us different - both of which are fed by our social contract and our respect for each other. Truth, always being fickle to pin down, probably taps into both. As for whether the media has the ability of reflection, that is easy to answer - none at all ("...which By a curious coincidence..."). In order to digest massive events we have to melodramatize things - for example, the war in Iraq seems to have come down to a question of opinion on what one thinks of Cindy Sheehan.
Post #222,265 by tuberculosis 9/1/05 4:16:13 PM 8/21/07 6:06:24 AM Reply	Naaah What you will be (and already are in some cases) seeing is right wing nut bloggers whining about how nobody is rushing to help us out even though we run around helping everyone else out. The entitlement thing. What might cause a rethink is if sympathetic riots begin in other cities around the US. "Whenever you find you are on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect" --Mark Twain "The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of thinking we were at when we created them." --Albert Einstein "This is still a dangerous world. It's a world of madmen and uncertainty and potential mental losses." --George W. Bush Edited by tuberculosis Aug. 21, 2007, 06:06:24 AM EDT Expand All History
Post #222,418 by Ashton 9/2/05 6:49:22 AM Reply	Whatever else this massive boondoggle is explained-away with for some of us, it is a mere vetting of the idea that, very few Murican consumer-sheep have the foggiest idea of the complexity of a modern techno-besotted, centralized-Corporate-distribution of monopolized lines of goods. And Today: OF most of THE NECESSARY BASIC COMMODITIES, too. (Sure looks Good on spreadsheets with Bottom Lines, though. In fair weather.) Much of fact and fiction re 'the Open Society (and its Enemies' \ufffd) fills the literature of the (first) War Century: but few I've met during half that century - knew how Anything worked, if they could even find the Manual in the packing about to be thrown away. Well: Katrina is demonstrating How Easily It All Might Not Work. No ez-electricity: no water, pumps, refrigeration, battery charging, comm ... (I see: at least a hundred PhDs out of the plethora of owl-entrail readings; maybe just in the second year?) I wonder which of these will connect to the declining competence level of the 'average consumer', in about all things having to do with animal survival. Or how the ability to walk a few miles, fits in with 'fitness'. 'Common Sense' Hah! - it's neither. Now more than ever?
Post #222,247 by tuberculosis 9/1/05 2:56:49 PM 8/21/07 6:05:57 AM Reply	Are the poor who lack the resources to move [link\|http://www.boingboing.net/2005/08/30/email_attributed_to_.html\|http://www.boingboin...tributed_to_.html] The poorest 20% (you can argue with the number -- 10%? 18%? no one knows) of the city was left behind to drown. This was the plan. Forget the sanctimonious bullshit about the bullheaded people who wouldn't leave. The evacuation plan was strictly laissez-faire. It depended on privately owned vehicles, and on having ready cash to fund an evacuation. The planners knew full well that the poor, who in new orleans are overwhelmingly black, wouldn't be able to get out. The resources -- meaning, the political will -- weren't there to get them out. White per capita income in Orleans parish, 2000 census: $31,971. Black per capita: $11,332. Median household income in B.W. Cooper (Calliope) Housing Projects, 2000: $13,263. "Whenever you find you are on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect" --Mark Twain "The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of thinking we were at when we created them." --Albert Einstein "This is still a dangerous world. It's a world of madmen and uncertainty and potential mental losses." --George W. Bush Edited by tuberculosis Aug. 21, 2007, 06:05:57 AM EDT Expand All History
Post #222,249 by boxley 9/1/05 3:05:28 PM Reply	no resources or will to evacuate and the last time people went to the superdome it was also a disaster. If you were in new orleans, without a car or cash for a bus out of town you were abandoned by the government you pay to keep you safe. thanx,. bill "the reason people don't buy conspiracy theories is that they think conspiracy means everyone is on the same program. Thats not how it works. Everybody has a different program. They just all want the same guy dead. Socrates was a gadfly, but I bet he took time out to screw somebodies wife" Gus Vitelli Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free american and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 49 years. meep questions, help? [link\|mailto:pappas@catholic.org\|email pappas at catholic.org]
Post #222,251 by tuberculosis 9/1/05 3:09:44 PM 8/21/07 6:06:03 AM Reply	Yep - another article [link\|http://reuters.myway.com/article/20050901/2005-09-01T021157Z_01_MOL181874_RTRIDST_0_NEWS-BT-WEATHER-KATRINA-POVERTY-DC.html\|http://reuters.myway...A-POVERTY-DC.html] The legalization of gambling in Biloxi created an economic boom in the early 1990s and the city developed a reputation as a place where a person could get a decent-paying job in the casino or hospitality business. But not everyone prospered. In the devastated streets and atop the rubble piles where their homes stood before Katrina blew through, a bitter refrain is increasingly heard. Poor and low-income residents complain that they have borne the brunt of the hurricane's wrath. "Many people didn't have the financial means to get out," said Alan LeBreton, 41, an apartment superintendent who lived on Biloxi's seaside road, now in ruins. "That's a crime and people are angry about it." Many of the town's well-off heeded authorities' warnings to flee north, joining thousands of others who traveled from the Gulf Coast into northern Mississippi and Alabama, Georgia and other nearby states. Hotels along the interstates and other main roads were packed with these temporary refugees. Gas stations and convenience stores -- at least those that were open -- sold out of water, ice and other supplies within hours. But others could not afford to join them, either because they didn't own a car or couldn't raise funds for even the cheapest motel. "No way we could do that," said Willie Rhetta, a bus driver, who remained in his home to await Katrina. Resentment at being left behind in the path of one of the fiercest hurricanes on record may have contributed to some of the looting that occurred in Biloxi and other coastal communities. "Whenever you find you are on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect" --Mark Twain "The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of thinking we were at when we created them." --Albert Einstein "This is still a dangerous world. It's a world of madmen and uncertainty and potential mental losses." --George W. Bush Edited by tuberculosis Aug. 21, 2007, 06:06:03 AM EDT Expand All History
Post #222,257 by Nightowl 9/1/05 3:27:00 PM Reply	Re: Are the poor who lack the resources to move [link\|http://www.boingboing.net/2005/08/30/email_attributed_to_.html\|http://www.boingboin...tributed_to_.html] The poorest 20% (you can argue with the number -- 10%? 18%? no one knows) of the city was left behind to drown. This was the plan. Forget the sanctimonious bullshit about the bullheaded people who wouldn't leave. The evacuation plan was strictly laissez-faire. It depended on privately owned vehicles, and on having ready cash to fund an evacuation. The planners knew full well that the poor, who in new orleans are overwhelmingly black, wouldn't be able to get out. The resources -- meaning, the political will -- weren't there to get them out. God.... that sounds like what happened on the Titanic... No wonder people are so mad. Brenda "Excel is to math what a Microwave Oven is to cooking!"
Post #223,081 by GBert 9/6/05 9:35:31 AM Reply	On the Titanic it was women and children first On the Titanic, while third class passengers fared worse than first and second class, third class women and children fared better than first class men did (some [link\|http://www.anesi.com/titanic.htm\|Titanic stats]. Giovanni Have whatever values you have. That's what America is for. You don't need George Bush for that.
Post #223,160 by Nightowl 9/6/05 2:55:37 PM Reply	True, and that makes it worse yet The fact that the third class women and children didn't get out of New Orleans and other cities before the first class men makes this disaster actually worse than the Titanic in terms of taking care of the classes. Brenda "Excel is to math what a Microwave Oven is to cooking!"
Post #223,207 by Ashton 9/6/05 5:20:27 PM Reply	Astute observation, O feathered One.
Post #223,512 by GBert 9/7/05 6:06:21 PM Reply	Gives you pause don't it? When it comes to life and death, we seem to value money a lot more (and women a lot less) than we did before WWI... Have whatever values you have. That's what America is for. You don't need George Bush for that.
Post #222,250 by danreck 9/1/05 3:06:25 PM 9/1/05 4:13:34 PM Reply	Hey there, driver man... Pray, pray that this is the worst natural disaster (in the US) that you will see in your life. Having spent a year riding my bike near University of New Orleans and the beautiful areas surrounding (which is now gone for all practical purposes), having played guitar in bars and coffee houses throughout the town, having stayed up many late nights in the bars near Tulane and all areas uptown. Having ridden the streetcars down St Charles to the Quarter, etc... I am in mourning right now. They will politicize this for all it's worth, but fuck them. San Francisco was destroyed in '03 and guess how many people live there now. WHEN it is destroyed again (for all practical purposes) will you have the same opinion? What about all the dipshits in the mid-west who built their houses too close to the Mississippi in '93? Or all the asswipes on the coasts everywhere... I suppose that the other gazelles watching on as the cheetah chews away at their neighbor find some type of rationale for "why he deserved it". It must be human, er umm, animal nature. They didn't just screw up in New Orleans (or Biloxi or Mobile), most cities are near water. 10,000 years ago, your home was under a big old piece of ice. There were marine fossils outside of my home in Ohio when I was growing up. When they finally get around to counting the bodies (not the ones that are floating around in coffins already), I think you will find that we are talking 10's of thousands dead. They haven't mentioned any areas in Louisiana east or south of New Orleans... In other words, screw the politics... a little compassion would be appreciated - at least by me. Edit - I just found this good bit of news about [link\|http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/08/31/AR2005083100377.html\|Grand Isle] Just a few thoughts, Danno Edited by danreck Sept. 1, 2005, 04:13:34 PM EDT Expand All History
Post #222,259 by Nightowl 9/1/05 3:30:34 PM Reply	Believe me, you have my compassion Although I personally wouldn't live near water (for fears that are my own), I do understand that these people lived here, and this was their home, their cities, their livelihoods.... and my heart breaks and aches for their sorrow and misery. It's just such a shame that instead of looting and fighting, they aren't ALL pulling together as a whole community to help one another... but then again, I do understand the panicked atmosphere... I understand their desperations... their will to survive at all costs... there was shooting on the deck of the Titanic, after all... Brenda "Excel is to math what a Microwave Oven is to cooking!"
Post #222,267 by danreck 9/1/05 4:18:20 PM Reply	What I can't understand... Is why the National Guard and NOPD and all the journalist aren't carrying food and fricking water after 2 and a half days... They can send hundreds of buses... Couldn't they have "filled them up" on their way in? Just a few thoughts, Danno
Post #222,270 by inthane-chan 9/1/05 4:23:52 PM Reply	It's only the poor. It's not like they're human. apt-get install godlike-powers
Post #222,272 by tuberculosis 9/1/05 4:27:19 PM 8/21/07 6:06:34 AM Reply	The National Guard is committed to helping just as soon as they get home from Iraq "Whenever you find you are on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect" --Mark Twain "The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of thinking we were at when we created them." --Albert Einstein "This is still a dangerous world. It's a world of madmen and uncertainty and potential mental losses." --George W. Bush Edited by tuberculosis Aug. 21, 2007, 06:06:34 AM EDT Expand All History
Post #222,282 by altmann 9/1/05 5:02:46 PM Reply	Re: The National Guard is committed to helping As much as enjoy bashing the current regime, 50-60% of the national guard in the affected states is still in those states and have been/are being mobilized as well as NG from other states. -- Chris Altmann
Post #222,284 by boxley 9/1/05 5:04:21 PM Reply	21k NG troops allocated now by the feds (they pay em) "the reason people don't buy conspiracy theories is that they think conspiracy means everyone is on the same program. Thats not how it works. Everybody has a different program. They just all want the same guy dead. Socrates was a gadfly, but I bet he took time out to screw somebodies wife" Gus Vitelli Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free american and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 49 years. meep questions, help? [link\|mailto:pappas@catholic.org\|email pappas at catholic.org]
Post #222,287 by drewk 9/1/05 5:17:29 PM Reply	Wow, really? So they've only sent just less than half the National Guard to Iraq. Gosh, it's a good thing nothing else bad is going to happen that might require defending some homeland. === Purveyor of Doc Hope's [link\|http://DocHope.com\|fresh-baked dog biscuits and pet treats]. [link\|http://DocHope.com\|http://DocHope.com]
Post #222,338 by altmann 9/1/05 6:57:51 PM Reply	The bigger problem might be the equipment anyways The troops might rotate back to the states but I bet the equipment stays there. -- Chris Altmann
Post #222,345 by inthane-chan 9/1/05 7:20:12 PM 9/1/05 7:20:48 PM Reply	Heard in passing on NPR - yep. And I should probably add that the funds to purchase them replacement equipment has been promised, but never delivered. Edited by inthane-chan Sept. 1, 2005, 07:20:48 PM EDT Expand All History
Post #222,274 by Nightowl 9/1/05 4:31:53 PM Reply	My opinion Maybe they thought the Red Cross and Salvation Army were doing that, but I think all agencies are swamped. Maybe they had to get there so fast there wasn't time to supply those things when they left. At any rate, I hope the food/water arrives soon, from some source, a hundred sources, anything. Those people are desperate. Brenda "Excel is to math what a Microwave Oven is to cooking!"
Post #222,277 by jake123 9/1/05 4:44:52 PM Reply	That requires planning and forethought Since, as it appears from many of the links that have been posted here already, the planning and forethought dep't. for this sort of thing having been gutted, nobody's thinking of this sort of thing. Hurricanes and other natural disasters can't be used to stampede the masses, so they've been disincentivized by the current administration. --\n-------------------------------------------------------------------\n* Jack Troughton jake at consultron.ca \n [link\|http://consultron.ca\|http://consultron.ca] [link\|irc://irc.ecomstation.ca\|irc://irc.ecomstation.ca] \n Kingston Ontario Canada [link\|news://news.consultron.ca\|news://news.consultron.ca] *\n-------------------------------------------------------------------
Post #222,297 by danreck 9/1/05 5:30:59 PM Reply	I think this is a good time to point out that when I lived in New Orleans 15 years ago, all the politicians were campaigning on "fixing the levees". It's not like it wasn't known... Check out this site [link\|http://www.publichealth.hurricane.lsu.edu/\|http://www.publichea...urricane.lsu.edu/] to see how excruciatingly accurate the detail is in the models that they have... The schools, the poor, potholes, etc. and any issue that could be used to buy votes seemed to always take precedence over "fixing the levees". If you believe that the reason this huricane response was bad was because of the "current administration", I think you are being rather simplistic and trying to politicize this tragedy. Why? While I don't like the "current administration" I think you are referring to, I really don't like the former or current administrations that have run Louisana politics (and especially New Orleans)for the past few centuries. Napoleonic law and numerous other smokescreens, deals, Huey P. Long, etc... have kept Louisana in the backwoods of America for many years. The Big Easy has been viewed as "party central" by the rest of the country for most of the last century instead of a cultural music mecca and the largest and most vital port city in the US. Here in lies the rub. Everyone talked about "the worst case scenario" of a major hurricane on New Orleans. No one really prepared for it. It was just a political football. "If the red team were in charge, then we could stop hurricanes" and other bullshit hyperbole. Jake, I think we are fighting against our human nature, not politics. It doesn't take FEMA or the National Guard or any organization with a collective IQ above 70 to determine that people who are stranded in a dome or on a roof in 95 degree heat with no food or fresh water just might be thirsty when you got there... Does the President of the United States have to tell his military officers that "they might be thirsty, bring water"? How about the Red Cross? I've been giving money to these people for years thinking they sort of knew how to handle these types of things... Maybe they weren't prepared for the scale? Maybe they thought New Orleans was "spared" and sent all the stuff to Biloxi and Mobile and Gulf Shores and all the other places (some former) first... I don't know, I'm rambling... If anyone is going to New Orleans, "please take some water with you and maybe a few bottles of Jack Daniels for once they are hydrated". Just a few thoughts, Danno
Post #222,298 by Nightowl 9/1/05 5:35:46 PM Reply	I'll tell my cousin-in-law that He's going with some friends and other people as part of an Emergency Response Team sent from Texas. They are going by boat. He's part of the Volunteer Fire Dept there as well as has helped out with other Emergency scenarios. I hope he can help, him and the whole team. Brenda "Excel is to math what a Microwave Oven is to cooking!"
Post #222,301 by danreck 9/1/05 5:44:26 PM Reply	Re: I'll tell my cousin-in-law that I'll say hi to him personally, if I get a chance. I'm trying to volunteer with the Red Cross. Last night they said to send money, "they need heavy equipment, ships and cranes, not hands". I asked them if they changed their mind... They took my information and said to stand by. Just a few thoughts, Danno
Post #222,302 by Nightowl 9/1/05 5:46:05 PM Reply	I hope you get to help It seems to mean a lot to you. His name is Rankin Ramsey. Brenda "Excel is to math what a Microwave Oven is to cooking!"
Post #222,320 by Nightowl 9/1/05 6:18:50 PM 9/1/05 6:33:27 PM Reply	Supplies and volunteers Hey Danreck, I just heard on the news that there are supplies being all packed up to ship to New Orleans, medical supplies, food, water, etc. Looks like they are mobilizing things now, maybe they just needed a little time to get it all organized. Also, in addition to my cousin-in-law Rankin Ramsey, who is going there with a Fire/Rescue crew on a boat from Texas, I also learned that my cousin-in-law Joesph Peck is being deployed to New Orlean's. He's in the military police National Guard. He is to keep people from looting. I'm amazed about my family stepping up like this, I didn't know these things about these particular people. Brenda Edit: I had meant to branch this off to the Water Cooler but I goofed. :( Sorry. "Excel is to math what a Microwave Oven is to cooking!" Edited by Nightowl Sept. 1, 2005, 06:33:27 PM EDT Expand All History
Post #222,328 by tuberculosis 9/1/05 6:31:45 PM 8/21/07 6:07:46 AM Reply	Why don't you an mmoffit fly over and drop water bottles? "Whenever you find you are on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect" --Mark Twain "The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of thinking we were at when we created them." --Albert Einstein "This is still a dangerous world. It's a world of madmen and uncertainty and potential mental losses." --George W. Bush Edited by tuberculosis Aug. 21, 2007, 06:07:46 AM EDT Expand All History
Post #223,197 by mmoffitt 9/6/05 4:37:23 PM Reply	I've got oil pressure problems at the moment. :0( bcnu, Mikem It would seem, therefore, that the three human impulses embodied in religion are fear, conceit, and hatred. The purpose of religion, one might say, is to give an air of respectibility to these passions. -- Bertrand Russell
Post #222,343 by jake123 9/1/05 7:17:16 PM 9/1/05 7:27:09 PM Reply	I'm not talking about the fact that the levees failed I'm talking about the fact that the rescue efforts post failure seem to be so badly badly organised... and that seems to be related to the fact that the usual coordinating agency (FEMA) has largely been gutted of its mandate, funding, and people by the current US administration. Edit: I gotta stop being so fast on that button. Anyway, the levees failing leaves plenty of blame to go around... and it's not particularly any better up here. It's like that guy from Holland said "over there they designed to defend against the 100 year event, but we've designed for the 10,000 year event" when he was speaking about their dike system vs. the one around New Orleans. It's a problem of vision, and it seems pretty widespread to NA... but the problem I'm talking about is specific to the aftermath and how well it's been organised. To be honest, and having seen both the CBC and the BBC version as well as the CNN version, to the outsider it looks like the poor people of the Gulf Coast and (even moreso) of New Orleans were left to literally twist in the wind. --\n-------------------------------------------------------------------\n* Jack Troughton jake at consultron.ca \n [link\|http://consultron.ca\|http://consultron.ca] [link\|irc://irc.ecomstation.ca\|irc://irc.ecomstation.ca] \n Kingston Ontario Canada [link\|news://news.consultron.ca\|news://news.consultron.ca] *\n------------------------------------------------------------------- Edited by jake123 Sept. 1, 2005, 07:27:09 PM EDT Expand All History

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