Post #203,781
4/18/05 2:30:27 PM
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That's great for you
I'm glad that you enjoy small keyboards. I do not. I can cope - clearly I do when I use my wife's - but I can't ever relax into working with it. The size issue is a constant irritation. I don't care what you would personally do, it won't work for me.
In short, listening is good. If I say that X is a deal breaker for me, it probably is a deal breaker and I'm unlikely to take it well that you're going on about how I shouldn't be bothered by it. That's not going to keep it from being a deal breaker, it will just leave me annoyed with you.
As for the other technical information, thank you and I appreciate it. However I appreciate it somewhat less than I ought because you've left me feeling generally annoyed.
Ben
I have come to believe that idealism without discipline is a quick road to disaster, while discipline without idealism is pointless. -- Aaron Ward (my brother)
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Post #203,782
4/18/05 2:31:12 PM
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Bite me, you miserable sod.
Sheesh.
A chap tries to be helpful and gets a boot in the face.
Well, cheers.
Peter
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Post #203,794
4/18/05 3:35:13 PM
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;P - How does it feel to be on the other side of the BOOT?
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Post #203,796
4/18/05 3:37:32 PM
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Not so bad...
...I pretty much guarantee that it's smaller and less steely than mine :-)
Peter
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Post #203,818
4/18/05 4:29:44 PM
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That was not a boot
If I want to give you a boot, I would have.
That was my way of informing you that you annoyed me, and what you can do to avoid doing so in the future.
Regards,
Ben
I have come to believe that idealism without discipline is a quick road to disaster, while discipline without idealism is pointless. -- Aaron Ward (my brother)
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Post #203,801
4/18/05 4:02:11 PM
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Baby keep you up all night or something?
Jeez...
Regards,
-scott anderson
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Post #203,817
4/18/05 4:27:41 PM
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No
I just get annoyed at Peter's constant "I know better than you do what you really want" attitude. No, Peter doesn't know better. And his presumption that he does when he is telling people that they should not care about what they clearly do care about is annoying..at best.
When this attitude is directed at others, I hold my piece. I'm not involved and don't really care. (Though I do label him as someone who doesn't seem to really pay attention to what others say.) When it was directed at me, I proceeded to explain what annoyed me about what he did, and why.
Do you think that it would be better for me to be annoyed and not say it, thereby giving him no opportunity to respond? It is up to him to accept, reject or ignore the advice. But his future dealings with me will go more smoothly if he accepts that when I say I care about something (eg keyboard size), I mean that and don't want a lecture about how I shouldn't care about that.
Regards,
Ben
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Post #203,821
4/18/05 4:34:41 PM
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Sigh.
I was trying to help you, Ben, when you asked a question.
That is all.
Read into that whatever you choose.
Peter
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Post #203,824
4/18/05 4:43:57 PM
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You might want to review #203693. He didn't do that...
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Post #203,835
4/18/05 5:24:25 PM
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Reviewed
A large portion of the post came off then, and still comes off on a re-read, as an attempt to convince me that I will find that the Apple keyboard is OK, and that I should therefore go back to my original plan.
It isn't subtle, for instance the title of the post is The Apple Pro keyboard plays nice with me. And he proceeds to point out that he also has large hands, with the implication that I would find as he does, that the Apple keyboard is fine and dandy after all.
He goes on to semi-conclude that:
Personally, I'd get used to an Apple keyboard and enjoy the flawless laptop experience rather than get into the farting around that is mobile Linux on a somewhat-less-well-designed-and-built-than-a-Powerbook x86 laptop.
That's wonderful - for him. It should be obvious to him that it doesn't work for me. I would have personally appreciated it if he had omitted this commentary rather than making it the title and a third of the post. It would have led to significantly less annoyance on my part.
Now I'd be much less annoyed if he was ignoring something that I peripherally happened to mention. But it wasn't peripheral. It was central to my decision, and central to my post. In fact it was the only thing I said that was important enough to me to put in bold letters.
Anyways he's said his piece, I've reacted. It is clear that at least a couple of you disagree with my reaction. It doesn't change the fact that that was my reaction. Is there anything left to say, or can we drop the topic?
Regards,
Ben
I have come to believe that idealism without discipline is a quick road to disaster, while discipline without idealism is pointless. -- Aaron Ward (my brother)
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Post #203,837
4/18/05 5:32:52 PM
4/18/05 5:37:02 PM
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You're over-analysing.
I just tried to help, but you bent over backwards to be annoyed.
Fact: Linux on a laptop is not trouble-free, and considerably more problematic than OS X on a laptop.
Why don't you focus on the fact that I gave you a massive clue about video and wireless networking, both of which can be a huge hassle under Linux? Or the fact that there's a distro that supports the former and the latter out of the box, and which I told you the name of, and recommended from personal experience on both counts?
Or do you want to anally deconstruct me some more?
Er.
That doesn't scan the way I want it to.
I'm personally annoyed by your self-righteous characterisation of me; my advice and opinion was given in good faith and freely. Please have the good grace to accept it as such.
[Edit: Original subject was unfair]
Peter
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Edited by pwhysall
April 18, 2005, 05:37:02 PM EDT
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Post #203,848
4/18/05 7:06:45 PM
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That's not the way I read it.
I'm not trying to pile-on. I'll make this comment and drop it.
I read the post in question as parenthetical remarks about his feelings on the keyboard, then - the majority of the post - giving information about Linux on laptops and using it to access a OS X box. If he was just trying to be a smart-ass and annoy you, he wouldn't have included the information about Ubuntu, NVidia, Atheros, etc., would he?
For whatever reason, Peter's tone (or your perception of it) in the past has bothered you. You brought that baggage with you when you read his post.
It seemed fine to me, and I think you'd see it that way too if you didn't know it was from Peter.
FWIW.
Now kiss and make up already. :-)
Cheers,
Scott.
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Post #203,843
4/18/05 6:22:36 PM
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You're completely over-reacting
And he wasn't giving you that attitude in this case, in my opinion.
Peter mentioned that HE has no problems with small keyboards, and that HE finds the offsetting benefits to be worth the keyboards in any case. In no way did he say, "therefore, you should do the same". It was a personal anecdote (hence the word he used: "personally"), and intended only as conversation (ie. "I have big hands too, but I don't mind the keyboards, funny old world, that") and commentary.
But you obviously missed that part.
Regards,
-scott anderson
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