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Post #195,122
by mmoffitt
2/17/05 9:23:33 AM
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New Those aren't lies to Beep, she simply "mis-spoke".
bcnu,
Mikem

Eine Leute. Eine Welt. Ein F\ufffdhrer.
God Bless America.
Post #195,125
by bepatient
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2/17/05 9:24:51 AM
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New She's in politics.
You want absolutes, stick to math.

If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. Fudd's First Law of Opposition

[link|mailto:bepatient@aol.com|BePatient]
Post #195,181
by tuberculosis
Picture of tuberculosis
2/17/05 1:43:27 PM
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New What's fuzzy about
1) [the aluminum tubes] "Are only really suited for nuclear weapons programs, centrifuge programs." --Sept. 8, 2002

2) "We have found, in Iraq, biological weapons laboratories that look precisely like what Secretary Powell described in his February 5th report to the United Nations." --May 28, 2003

3)[the phony uranium purchase documents]"Maybe someone knew down in the bowels of the agency, but no one in our circles knew that there were doubts and suspicions that this might be a forgery." --June, 2003

4)"I don't think anybody could have predicted that these same people [9/11 hijackers]... would try to use a hijacked airplane as a missile." --May 2002

5) [Aug. 6, 2001 Presidential Daily Brief, "Bin Laden Determined to Strike in U.S."] "It did not warn of attacks inside the United States."

Lies are lies. You can shrug it off as politics if you want to. I see something more dangerous here. These are not your garden variety politicians. These people are fucking dangerous and really belong in jail.


"Whenever you find you are on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect"   --Mark Twain

"The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of thinking we were at when we created them."   --Albert Einstein

"This is still a dangerous world. It's a world of madmen and uncertainty and potential mental losses."   --George W. Bush
Post #195,349
by mmoffitt
2/18/05 8:14:30 AM
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New Can I have an "Amen" from the crowd?
bcnu,
Mikem

Eine Leute. Eine Welt. Ein F\ufffdhrer.
God Bless America.
Post #195,353
by imric
2/18/05 8:29:07 AM
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New Amen!
[link|http://forfree.sytes.net|
]
Imric's Tips for Living
  • Paranoia Is a Survival Trait
  • Pessimists are never disappointed - but sometimes, if they are very lucky, they can be pleasantly surprised...
  • Even though everyone is out to get you, it doesn't matter unless you let them win.


Nothing is as simple as it seems in the beginning,
As hopeless as it seems in the middle,
Or as finished as it seems in the end.
 
 
Post #195,357
by Silverlock
2/18/05 9:16:35 AM
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New Hosanna
-----------------------------------------
"In this world of sin and sorrow there is always something to be thankful for. As for me, I rejoice that I am not a Republican."
-- H. L. Mencken
Post #195,370
by inthane-chan
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2/18/05 11:01:52 AM
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New Hallelujah!
Post #195,392
by jb4
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2/18/05 12:54:57 PM
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New Doo-wah Diddy!...errrr...Amen!
(Sorry, wrong radio station....)
jb4
shrub\ufffdbish (Am., from shrub + rubbish, after the derisive name for America's 43 president; 2003) n. 1. a form of nonsensical political doubletalk wherein the speaker attempts to defend the indefensible by lying, obfuscation, or otherwise misstating the facts; GIBBERISH. 2. any of a collection of utterances from America's putative 43rd president. cf. BULLSHIT
Post #195,388
by bepatient
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2/18/05 12:31:30 PM
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New Fine.
Lock them up and replace them with the folks that ignored it for a decade.
If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. Fudd's First Law of Opposition

[link|mailto:bepatient@aol.com|BePatient]
Post #195,397
by imric
2/18/05 1:30:35 PM
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New Who would that be..
[link|http://forfree.sytes.net|
]
Imric's Tips for Living
  • Paranoia Is a Survival Trait
  • Pessimists are never disappointed - but sometimes, if they are very lucky, they can be pleasantly surprised...
  • Even though everyone is out to get you, it doesn't matter unless you let them win.


Nothing is as simple as it seems in the beginning,
As hopeless as it seems in the middle,
Or as finished as it seems in the end.
 
 
Post #195,403
by tuberculosis
Picture of tuberculosis
2/18/05 1:43:07 PM
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New Would be a huge improvement
not that Clinton totally ignored it. He did lob a few cruise missiles at ObL when the opportunity arose. However he was spending all his time addressing the Ken Starr witch hunt regarding inappropriate uses of cigars. Which I objected to at the time and continue to.

Prosecute him on your own time. The magnitude of the indiscretion was insignificant. Nobody even died.

I at least believe that, were the previous decade's people back on the job, we'd be getting actions that 1) don't fuck the country collectively in the ass and b) actually do try to make us all better off.

Saddest is I find myself longing for the days of the simply corrupt politicians that only seeked to line their own pockets rather than wage class warfare at the expense of us all.


"Whenever you find you are on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect"   --Mark Twain

"The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of thinking we were at when we created them."   --Albert Einstein

"This is still a dangerous world. It's a world of madmen and uncertainty and potential mental losses."   --George W. Bush
Post #195,412
by imric
2/18/05 3:24:28 PM
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New You aren't alone.
Though what I find tragic is that Clinton was a MUCH better Republican than any Neocon.

The current crew is evil. Many of our leaders belong in prison; a goodly chunk of the rest belong in a madhouse. I could forgive incompetance. I could forgive stupidity. I cannot forgive the damage they are doing to the future of our nation, and the world. The constant lying of our leaders to our people CANNOT be forgiven - though for some reason, the people seem to find those lies more palatable if they are coated in a sauce of lipservice to religion and spiced with violence, death, and revenge.

God help us, every one.
[link|http://forfree.sytes.net|
]
Imric's Tips for Living
  • Paranoia Is a Survival Trait
  • Pessimists are never disappointed - but sometimes, if they are very lucky, they can be pleasantly surprised...
  • Even though everyone is out to get you, it doesn't matter unless you let them win.


Nothing is as simple as it seems in the beginning,
As hopeless as it seems in the middle,
Or as finished as it seems in the end.
 
 
Post #195,413
by mmoffitt
2/18/05 3:30:46 PM
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New It started with the Father of the Them All.
Ronald Reagan.
bcnu,
Mikem

Eine Leute. Eine Welt. Ein F\ufffdhrer.
God Bless America.
Post #195,415
by imric
2/18/05 3:34:05 PM
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New I think he actually believed
his own spiel.

I can't even accord the current administration (his degenerate political offspring) that much credit.
[link|http://forfree.sytes.net|
]
Imric's Tips for Living
  • Paranoia Is a Survival Trait
  • Pessimists are never disappointed - but sometimes, if they are very lucky, they can be pleasantly surprised...
  • Even though everyone is out to get you, it doesn't matter unless you let them win.


Nothing is as simple as it seems in the beginning,
As hopeless as it seems in the middle,
Or as finished as it seems in the end.
 
 
Post #195,417
by mmoffitt
2/18/05 4:22:57 PM
2/18/05 4:23:57 PM
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New True.
[Edit: Forgot the easy cheap shot]
Reagan did have Alzheimer's.

Dubya is perhaps the only person in the world that could make Reagan and Nixon look good.
bcnu,
Mikem

Eine Leute. Eine Welt. Ein F\ufffdhrer.
God Bless America.
Expand Edited by mmoffitt Feb. 18, 2005, 04:23:57 PM EST
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Post #195,418
by tuberculosis
Picture of tuberculosis
2/18/05 4:38:15 PM
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New And of course if RR had been forced to live by his policies
he'd have died drooling wrapped in a newspaper in a doorway.


"Whenever you find you are on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect"   --Mark Twain

"The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of thinking we were at when we created them."   --Albert Einstein

"This is still a dangerous world. It's a world of madmen and uncertainty and potential mental losses."   --George W. Bush
Post #195,497
by Ashton
2/19/05 6:40:11 AM
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New Brevity Award - two ears and a tail.
To me the major absurdity is that these offenses utterly transcend our inane Left/Right, ""Conservative/Liberal"" mumbo jumbo, via which all Murican political speech is rendered pointless from the get-go.

That ~ Half of Muricans, in 2005 can be completely suckered by Rovian religio agit-prop, having utterly ignored ALL THOSE LIES in the war propaganda -- leaves no room at all for optimism.



Nukes. These unprincipled fuckers would use them in any 'crisis' - real, or their specialty: imagined.
Post #195,531
by tuberculosis
Picture of tuberculosis
2/19/05 1:24:27 PM
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New Mahablog agrees with you there
[link|http://www.mahablog.com/2005.02.13_arch.html#1108774005268|http://www.mahablog....tml#1108774005268]

Fact is, right now most political discourse in America, both Right and Left, is\ufffdall about how awful those other people are. There's not much energy left for anything else.\ufffdThis is not a liberal problem. It's an American problem.
...
We cannot "debate" anything any more. Lies are put on the table to be accepted or rejected, and if you reject them you are marginalized and ridiculed for having too much "nuance." That's the extent of our "national debate."
-----
Pretty well sums up the problem right there.


"Whenever you find you are on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect"   --Mark Twain

"The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of thinking we were at when we created them."   --Albert Einstein

"This is still a dangerous world. It's a world of madmen and uncertainty and potential mental losses."   --George W. Bush
     Compassionate Conservatives with gay daughters - (tuberculosis) - (87) - Feb. 14, 2005, 07:06:29 PM EST
         Triplets, I take it...? -NT - (admin) - (4) - Feb. 14, 2005, 07:13:26 PM EST
             Extra lesbians are not necessarily a bad thing -NT - (ben_tilly) - (2) - Feb. 14, 2005, 07:33:29 PM EST
                 Blatant LPRDism angling. *shunned* -NT - (pwhysall) - (1) - Feb. 14, 2005, 07:36:23 PM EST
                     ..but if your wrist is connected to a USB port -NT - (Ashton) - Feb. 16, 2005, 01:16:42 AM EST
             Testament to the high quality of my internet connection -NT - (tuberculosis) - Feb. 15, 2005, 01:27:40 AM EST
         Keyes is a nutjob - (JayMehaffey) - (81) - Feb. 15, 2005, 08:18:12 AM EST
             Don't think they need him for that. - (bepatient) - (80) - Feb. 15, 2005, 08:58:38 AM EST
                 All of which are appointed posistions - (JayMehaffey) - Feb. 15, 2005, 09:24:05 AM EST
                 Dupe -NT - (JayMehaffey) - Feb. 15, 2005, 09:24:37 AM EST
                 Uncle Toms don't count. HTH. -NT - (mmoffitt) - (77) - Feb. 15, 2005, 09:47:12 AM EST
                     Nice racist comment - (bepatient) - (3) - Feb. 15, 2005, 10:13:08 AM EST
                         Just learned to play the game. - (mmoffitt) - (2) - Feb. 15, 2005, 10:34:03 AM EST
                             Typical rationalization - (bepatient) - (1) - Feb. 15, 2005, 11:15:12 AM EST
                                 Not because they "think" differently. - (mmoffitt) - Feb. 15, 2005, 11:32:42 AM EST
                     Only gangsta-rappers need apply? -NT - (Arkadiy) - (1) - Feb. 15, 2005, 10:14:51 AM EST
                         Nope...too successful -NT - (bepatient) - Feb. 15, 2005, 10:29:38 AM EST
                     That isn't fair - (JayMehaffey) - (70) - Feb. 15, 2005, 10:33:42 AM EST
                         sorry. my dad said the same thing - (daemon) - (29) - Feb. 15, 2005, 05:52:10 PM EST
                             Same thing? - (ben_tilly) - (5) - Feb. 15, 2005, 07:50:49 PM EST
                                 sigh, give me a list of successful black men to follow - (daemon) - (4) - Feb. 15, 2005, 09:29:16 PM EST
                                     George Washington Carver comes to mind...ottomh - (Simon_Jester) - (3) - Feb. 15, 2005, 10:16:51 PM EST
                                         Martin Luther King Jr likewise... - (ben_tilly) - Feb. 16, 2005, 10:46:23 AM EST
                                         hard to follow these two they are dead :-) -NT - (daemon) - (1) - Feb. 16, 2005, 08:28:22 PM EST
                                             Oops, sorry, thought you wanted people - (Simon_Jester) - Feb. 17, 2005, 11:48:43 AM EST
                             Can't back up the quote - (JayMehaffey) - (22) - Feb. 16, 2005, 01:00:35 PM EST
                                 If she said that on the record - (Arkadiy) - (21) - Feb. 16, 2005, 02:03:14 PM EST
                                     Heh. She "came up" in Texas, that's how. -NT - (mmoffitt) - (20) - Feb. 17, 2005, 09:00:48 AM EST
                                         hrm - (bepatient) - (19) - Feb. 17, 2005, 09:23:45 AM EST
                                             How 'bout "Texas brung her to the WH"? Okay? -NT - (mmoffitt) - (17) - Feb. 17, 2005, 09:44:49 AM EST
                                                 And none of the afformentioned... - (bepatient) - (16) - Feb. 17, 2005, 09:46:56 AM EST
                                                     Proud of this one (you omitted it, so I doubt it). - (mmoffitt) - (15) - Feb. 17, 2005, 10:23:51 AM EST
                                                         And this has exactly >what<... - (bepatient) - (14) - Feb. 17, 2005, 10:33:36 AM EST
                                                             I can't keep up with ya. - (mmoffitt) - (13) - Feb. 17, 2005, 10:42:09 AM EST
                                                                 and yet you're blaming it on Texas... -NT - (SpiceWare) - (1) - Feb. 17, 2005, 10:50:29 AM EST
                                                                     That was a poorly placed tongue-in-cheek reference to her - (mmoffitt) - Feb. 17, 2005, 10:55:37 AM EST
                                                                 And again... - (bepatient) - (10) - Feb. 17, 2005, 11:35:28 AM EST
                                                                     Clinton's team - (JayMehaffey) - Feb. 17, 2005, 11:43:56 AM EST
                                                                     Oops.... - (Simon_Jester) - (8) - Feb. 17, 2005, 11:52:40 AM EST
                                                                         Sure I have...... - (bepatient) - (7) - Feb. 17, 2005, 06:46:45 PM EST
                                                                             D-I-Z-Z-Y - (jb4) - (1) - Feb. 17, 2005, 06:56:46 PM EST
                                                                                 Quote - (bepatient) - Feb. 17, 2005, 07:30:49 PM EST
                                                                             BZZT.... - (Simon_Jester) - (4) - Feb. 18, 2005, 10:23:34 AM EST
                                                                                 Ok...so now it gets even more complicated. - (bepatient) - (3) - Feb. 18, 2005, 12:24:06 PM EST
                                                                                     No, no, no, no, no.... - (Simon_Jester) - (2) - Feb. 18, 2005, 10:28:07 PM EST
                                                                                         Finally - (bepatient) - (1) - Feb. 19, 2005, 12:14:10 PM EST
                                                                                             There we go - (tuberculosis) - Feb. 19, 2005, 01:36:19 PM EST
                                             I will say this - (jake123) - Feb. 17, 2005, 06:05:00 PM EST
                         Linky for Condi's comments? Thanks. -NT - (Another Scott) - (38) - Feb. 15, 2005, 08:11:44 PM EST
                             Does it matter? - (mmoffitt) - (37) - Feb. 15, 2005, 08:54:07 PM EST
                                 I don't think she's sleazy. - (Another Scott) - (36) - Feb. 15, 2005, 09:38:38 PM EST
                                     C'mon now - (bepatient) - (35) - Feb. 16, 2005, 12:59:52 AM EST
                                         'Successful' - oh well, then -- what more need be said? -NT - (Ashton) - (12) - Feb. 16, 2005, 01:21:02 AM EST
                                             Interesting retort. - (bepatient) - (11) - Feb. 16, 2005, 02:21:37 AM EST
                                                 Re: Interesting spin on 'Success'; dictionary says <obs> - (Ashton) - (10) - Feb. 16, 2005, 03:49:09 AM EST
                                                     Do you ever get out of your house? - (Arkadiy) - Feb. 16, 2005, 12:07:11 PM EST
                                                     Interesting. - (bepatient) - (8) - Feb. 16, 2005, 02:13:37 PM EST
                                                         Really.. Beep - (Ashton) - (7) - Feb. 16, 2005, 07:31:21 PM EST
                                                             Sure. - (bepatient) - (6) - Feb. 16, 2005, 07:51:41 PM EST
                                                                 Hardly a matter of 'the days when' - (Ashton) - (4) - Feb. 16, 2005, 11:44:41 PM EST
                                                                     YOU are the one that claimed this is a current condition, - (imric) - (2) - Feb. 17, 2005, 07:01:31 AM EST
                                                                         You are not alone in your definition. - (mmoffitt) - (1) - Feb. 17, 2005, 09:24:21 AM EST
                                                                             I doubt that. - (bepatient) - Feb. 17, 2005, 09:25:46 AM EST
                                                                     Re: Hardly a matter of 'the days when' - (bepatient) - Feb. 17, 2005, 09:17:48 AM EST
                                                                 Hey...If pining for a time when... - (jb4) - Feb. 17, 2005, 02:27:15 PM EST
                                         Successful != Effective - (tuberculosis) - (21) - Feb. 16, 2005, 05:11:19 PM EST
                                             Possibly not - (bepatient) - (20) - Feb. 16, 2005, 07:47:42 PM EST
                                                 That and the out and out lies - (tuberculosis) - (18) - Feb. 17, 2005, 01:16:09 AM EST
                                                     Those aren't lies to Beep, she simply "mis-spoke". -NT - (mmoffitt) - (17) - Feb. 17, 2005, 09:23:33 AM EST
                                                         She's in politics. - (bepatient) - (16) - Feb. 17, 2005, 09:24:51 AM EST
                                                             What's fuzzy about - (tuberculosis) - (15) - Feb. 17, 2005, 01:43:27 PM EST
                                                                 Can I have an "Amen" from the crowd? -NT - (mmoffitt) - (4) - Feb. 18, 2005, 08:14:30 AM EST
                                                                     Amen! -NT - (imric) - Feb. 18, 2005, 08:29:07 AM EST
                                                                     Hosanna -NT - (Silverlock) - Feb. 18, 2005, 09:16:35 AM EST
                                                                     Hallelujah! -NT - (inthane-chan) - Feb. 18, 2005, 11:01:52 AM EST
                                                                     Doo-wah Diddy!...errrr...Amen! - (jb4) - Feb. 18, 2005, 12:54:57 PM EST
                                                                 Fine. - (bepatient) - (9) - Feb. 18, 2005, 12:31:30 PM EST
                                                                     Who would that be.. -NT - (imric) - Feb. 18, 2005, 01:30:35 PM EST
                                                                     Would be a huge improvement - (tuberculosis) - (7) - Feb. 18, 2005, 01:43:07 PM EST
                                                                         You aren't alone. - (imric) - (6) - Feb. 18, 2005, 03:24:28 PM EST
                                                                             It started with the Father of the Them All. - (mmoffitt) - (3) - Feb. 18, 2005, 03:30:46 PM EST
                                                                                 I think he actually believed - (imric) - (2) - Feb. 18, 2005, 03:34:05 PM EST
                                                                                     True. - (mmoffitt) - (1) - Feb. 18, 2005, 04:23:57 PM EST
                                                                                         And of course if RR had been forced to live by his policies - (tuberculosis) - Feb. 18, 2005, 04:38:15 PM EST
                                                                             Brevity Award - two ears and a tail. - (Ashton) - (1) - Feb. 19, 2005, 06:40:11 AM EST
                                                                                 Mahablog agrees with you there - (tuberculosis) - Feb. 19, 2005, 01:24:27 PM EST
                                                 Watch my left hand while my right hand... - (jb4) - Feb. 17, 2005, 06:24:34 PM EST
                         Rice is the one who claimed... - (Simon_Jester) - Feb. 16, 2005, 05:33:10 PM EST

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