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Post #195,403
2/18/05 1:43:07 PM
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Would be a huge improvement
not that Clinton totally ignored it. He did lob a few cruise missiles at ObL when the opportunity arose. However he was spending all his time addressing the Ken Starr witch hunt regarding inappropriate uses of cigars. Which I objected to at the time and continue to.
Prosecute him on your own time. The magnitude of the indiscretion was insignificant. Nobody even died.
I at least believe that, were the previous decade's people back on the job, we'd be getting actions that 1) don't fuck the country collectively in the ass and b) actually do try to make us all better off.
Saddest is I find myself longing for the days of the simply corrupt politicians that only seeked to line their own pockets rather than wage class warfare at the expense of us all.
"Whenever you find you are on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect" --Mark Twain
"The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of thinking we were at when we created them." --Albert Einstein
"This is still a dangerous world. It's a world of madmen and uncertainty and potential mental losses." --George W. Bush
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Post #195,412
2/18/05 3:24:28 PM
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You aren't alone.
Though what I find tragic is that Clinton was a MUCH better Republican than any Neocon.
The current crew is evil. Many of our leaders belong in prison; a goodly chunk of the rest belong in a madhouse. I could forgive incompetance. I could forgive stupidity. I cannot forgive the damage they are doing to the future of our nation, and the world. The constant lying of our leaders to our people CANNOT be forgiven - though for some reason, the people seem to find those lies more palatable if they are coated in a sauce of lipservice to religion and spiced with violence, death, and revenge.
God help us, every one.
[link|http://forfree.sytes.net|
] Imric's Tips for Living
- Paranoia Is a Survival Trait
- Pessimists are never disappointed - but sometimes, if they are very lucky, they can be pleasantly surprised...
- Even though everyone is out to get you, it doesn't matter unless you let them win.
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Nothing is as simple as it seems in the beginning, As hopeless as it seems in the middle, Or as finished as it seems in the end.
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Post #195,413
2/18/05 3:30:46 PM
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It started with the Father of the Them All.
Ronald Reagan.
bcnu, Mikem
Eine Leute. Eine Welt. Ein F\ufffdhrer. God Bless America.
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Post #195,415
2/18/05 3:34:05 PM
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I think he actually believed
his own spiel.
I can't even accord the current administration (his degenerate political offspring) that much credit.
[link|http://forfree.sytes.net|
] Imric's Tips for Living
- Paranoia Is a Survival Trait
- Pessimists are never disappointed - but sometimes, if they are very lucky, they can be pleasantly surprised...
- Even though everyone is out to get you, it doesn't matter unless you let them win.
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Nothing is as simple as it seems in the beginning, As hopeless as it seems in the middle, Or as finished as it seems in the end.
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Post #195,417
2/18/05 4:22:57 PM
2/18/05 4:23:57 PM
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True.
[Edit: Forgot the easy cheap shot] Reagan did have Alzheimer's.
Dubya is perhaps the only person in the world that could make Reagan and Nixon look good.
bcnu, Mikem
Eine Leute. Eine Welt. Ein F\ufffdhrer. God Bless America.
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Edited by mmoffitt
Feb. 18, 2005, 04:23:57 PM EST
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Post #195,418
2/18/05 4:38:15 PM
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And of course if RR had been forced to live by his policies
he'd have died drooling wrapped in a newspaper in a doorway.
"Whenever you find you are on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect" --Mark Twain
"The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of thinking we were at when we created them." --Albert Einstein
"This is still a dangerous world. It's a world of madmen and uncertainty and potential mental losses." --George W. Bush
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Post #195,497
2/19/05 6:40:11 AM
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Brevity Award - two ears and a tail.
To me the major absurdity is that these offenses utterly transcend our inane Left/Right, ""Conservative/Liberal"" mumbo jumbo, via which all Murican political speech is rendered pointless from the get-go.
That ~ Half of Muricans, in 2005 can be completely suckered by Rovian religio agit-prop, having utterly ignored ALL THOSE LIES in the war propaganda -- leaves no room at all for optimism.
Nukes. These unprincipled fuckers would use them in any 'crisis' - real, or their specialty: imagined.
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Post #195,531
2/19/05 1:24:27 PM
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Mahablog agrees with you there
[link|http://www.mahablog.com/2005.02.13_arch.html#1108774005268|http://www.mahablog....tml#1108774005268]
Fact is, right now most political discourse in America, both Right and Left, is\ufffdall about how awful those other people are. There's not much energy left for anything else.\ufffdThis is not a liberal problem. It's an American problem. ... We cannot "debate" anything any more. Lies are put on the table to be accepted or rejected, and if you reject them you are marginalized and ridiculed for having too much "nuance." That's the extent of our "national debate." ----- Pretty well sums up the problem right there.
"Whenever you find you are on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect" --Mark Twain
"The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of thinking we were at when we created them." --Albert Einstein
"This is still a dangerous world. It's a world of madmen and uncertainty and potential mental losses." --George W. Bush
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Compassionate Conservatives with gay daughters
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tuberculosis)
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- Feb. 14, 2005, 07:06:29 PM EST
Triplets, I take it...?
-NT
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admin)
- (4)
- Feb. 14, 2005, 07:13:26 PM EST
Extra lesbians are not necessarily a bad thing
-NT
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ben_tilly)
- (2)
- Feb. 14, 2005, 07:33:29 PM EST
Blatant LPRDism angling. *shunned*
-NT
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pwhysall)
- (1)
- Feb. 14, 2005, 07:36:23 PM EST
..but if your wrist is connected to a USB port
-NT
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Ashton)
- Feb. 16, 2005, 01:16:42 AM EST
Testament to the high quality of my internet connection
-NT
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tuberculosis)
- Feb. 15, 2005, 01:27:40 AM EST
Keyes is a nutjob
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JayMehaffey)
- (81)
- Feb. 15, 2005, 08:18:12 AM EST
Don't think they need him for that.
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bepatient)
- (80)
- Feb. 15, 2005, 08:58:38 AM EST
All of which are appointed posistions
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JayMehaffey)
- Feb. 15, 2005, 09:24:05 AM EST
Dupe
-NT
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JayMehaffey)
- Feb. 15, 2005, 09:24:37 AM EST
Uncle Toms don't count. HTH.
-NT
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mmoffitt)
- (77)
- Feb. 15, 2005, 09:47:12 AM EST
Nice racist comment
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bepatient)
- (3)
- Feb. 15, 2005, 10:13:08 AM EST
Just learned to play the game.
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mmoffitt)
- (2)
- Feb. 15, 2005, 10:34:03 AM EST
Typical rationalization
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bepatient)
- (1)
- Feb. 15, 2005, 11:15:12 AM EST
Not because they "think" differently.
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mmoffitt)
- Feb. 15, 2005, 11:32:42 AM EST
Only gangsta-rappers need apply?
-NT
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Arkadiy)
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- Feb. 15, 2005, 10:14:51 AM EST
Nope...too successful
-NT
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bepatient)
- Feb. 15, 2005, 10:29:38 AM EST
That isn't fair
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JayMehaffey)
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- Feb. 15, 2005, 10:33:42 AM EST
sorry. my dad said the same thing
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daemon)
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- Feb. 15, 2005, 05:52:10 PM EST
Same thing?
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ben_tilly)
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- Feb. 15, 2005, 07:50:49 PM EST
sigh, give me a list of successful black men to follow
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daemon)
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- Feb. 15, 2005, 09:29:16 PM EST
George Washington Carver comes to mind...ottomh
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Simon_Jester)
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- Feb. 15, 2005, 10:16:51 PM EST
Martin Luther King Jr likewise...
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ben_tilly)
- Feb. 16, 2005, 10:46:23 AM EST
hard to follow these two they are dead :-)
-NT
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daemon)
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- Feb. 16, 2005, 08:28:22 PM EST
Oops, sorry, thought you wanted people
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Simon_Jester)
- Feb. 17, 2005, 11:48:43 AM EST
Can't back up the quote
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JayMehaffey)
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- Feb. 16, 2005, 01:00:35 PM EST
If she said that on the record
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Arkadiy)
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- Feb. 16, 2005, 02:03:14 PM EST
Heh. She "came up" in Texas, that's how.
-NT
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mmoffitt)
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- Feb. 17, 2005, 09:00:48 AM EST
hrm
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bepatient)
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- Feb. 17, 2005, 09:23:45 AM EST
How 'bout "Texas brung her to the WH"? Okay?
-NT
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mmoffitt)
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- Feb. 17, 2005, 09:44:49 AM EST
And none of the afformentioned...
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bepatient)
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- Feb. 17, 2005, 09:46:56 AM EST
Proud of this one (you omitted it, so I doubt it).
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mmoffitt)
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- Feb. 17, 2005, 10:23:51 AM EST
And this has exactly >what<...
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bepatient)
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- Feb. 17, 2005, 10:33:36 AM EST
I can't keep up with ya.
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mmoffitt)
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- Feb. 17, 2005, 10:42:09 AM EST
and yet you're blaming it on Texas...
-NT
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SpiceWare)
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- Feb. 17, 2005, 10:50:29 AM EST
That was a poorly placed tongue-in-cheek reference to her
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mmoffitt)
- Feb. 17, 2005, 10:55:37 AM EST
And again...
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bepatient)
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- Feb. 17, 2005, 11:35:28 AM EST
Clinton's team
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JayMehaffey)
- Feb. 17, 2005, 11:43:56 AM EST
Oops....
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Simon_Jester)
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- Feb. 17, 2005, 11:52:40 AM EST
Sure I have......
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bepatient)
- (7)
- Feb. 17, 2005, 06:46:45 PM EST
D-I-Z-Z-Y
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jb4)
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- Feb. 17, 2005, 06:56:46 PM EST
Quote
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bepatient)
- Feb. 17, 2005, 07:30:49 PM EST
BZZT....
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Simon_Jester)
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- Feb. 18, 2005, 10:23:34 AM EST
Ok...so now it gets even more complicated.
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bepatient)
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- Feb. 18, 2005, 12:24:06 PM EST
No, no, no, no, no....
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Simon_Jester)
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- Feb. 18, 2005, 10:28:07 PM EST
Finally
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bepatient)
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- Feb. 19, 2005, 12:14:10 PM EST
There we go
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tuberculosis)
- Feb. 19, 2005, 01:36:19 PM EST
I will say this
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jake123)
- Feb. 17, 2005, 06:05:00 PM EST
Linky for Condi's comments? Thanks.
-NT
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Another Scott)
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- Feb. 15, 2005, 08:11:44 PM EST
Does it matter?
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mmoffitt)
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- Feb. 15, 2005, 08:54:07 PM EST
I don't think she's sleazy.
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Another Scott)
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- Feb. 15, 2005, 09:38:38 PM EST
C'mon now
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bepatient)
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- Feb. 16, 2005, 12:59:52 AM EST
'Successful' - oh well, then -- what more need be said?
-NT
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Ashton)
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- Feb. 16, 2005, 01:21:02 AM EST
Interesting retort.
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bepatient)
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- Feb. 16, 2005, 02:21:37 AM EST
Re: Interesting spin on 'Success'; dictionary says <obs>
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Ashton)
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- Feb. 16, 2005, 03:49:09 AM EST
Do you ever get out of your house?
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Arkadiy)
- Feb. 16, 2005, 12:07:11 PM EST
Interesting.
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bepatient)
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- Feb. 16, 2005, 02:13:37 PM EST
Really.. Beep
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Ashton)
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- Feb. 16, 2005, 07:31:21 PM EST
Sure.
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bepatient)
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- Feb. 16, 2005, 07:51:41 PM EST
Hardly a matter of 'the days when'
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Ashton)
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- Feb. 16, 2005, 11:44:41 PM EST
YOU are the one that claimed this is a current condition,
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imric)
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- Feb. 17, 2005, 07:01:31 AM EST
You are not alone in your definition.
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mmoffitt)
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- Feb. 17, 2005, 09:24:21 AM EST
I doubt that.
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bepatient)
- Feb. 17, 2005, 09:25:46 AM EST
Re: Hardly a matter of 'the days when'
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bepatient)
- Feb. 17, 2005, 09:17:48 AM EST
Hey...If pining for a time when...
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jb4)
- Feb. 17, 2005, 02:27:15 PM EST
Successful != Effective
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tuberculosis)
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- Feb. 16, 2005, 05:11:19 PM EST
Possibly not
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bepatient)
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- Feb. 16, 2005, 07:47:42 PM EST
That and the out and out lies
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tuberculosis)
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- Feb. 17, 2005, 01:16:09 AM EST
Those aren't lies to Beep, she simply "mis-spoke".
-NT
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mmoffitt)
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- Feb. 17, 2005, 09:23:33 AM EST
She's in politics.
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bepatient)
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- Feb. 17, 2005, 09:24:51 AM EST
What's fuzzy about
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tuberculosis)
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- Feb. 17, 2005, 01:43:27 PM EST
Can I have an "Amen" from the crowd?
-NT
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mmoffitt)
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- Feb. 18, 2005, 08:14:30 AM EST
Amen!
-NT
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imric)
- Feb. 18, 2005, 08:29:07 AM EST
Hosanna
-NT
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Silverlock)
- Feb. 18, 2005, 09:16:35 AM EST
Hallelujah!
-NT
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inthane-chan)
- Feb. 18, 2005, 11:01:52 AM EST
Doo-wah Diddy!...errrr...Amen!
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jb4)
- Feb. 18, 2005, 12:54:57 PM EST
Fine.
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bepatient)
- (9)
- Feb. 18, 2005, 12:31:30 PM EST
Who would that be..
-NT
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imric)
- Feb. 18, 2005, 01:30:35 PM EST
Would be a huge improvement
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tuberculosis)
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- Feb. 18, 2005, 01:43:07 PM EST
You aren't alone.
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imric)
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- Feb. 18, 2005, 03:24:28 PM EST
It started with the Father of the Them All.
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mmoffitt)
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- Feb. 18, 2005, 03:30:46 PM EST
I think he actually believed
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imric)
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- Feb. 18, 2005, 03:34:05 PM EST
True.
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mmoffitt)
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- Feb. 18, 2005, 04:23:57 PM EST
And of course if RR had been forced to live by his policies
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tuberculosis)
- Feb. 18, 2005, 04:38:15 PM EST
Brevity Award - two ears and a tail.
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Ashton)
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- Feb. 19, 2005, 06:40:11 AM EST
Mahablog agrees with you there
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tuberculosis)
- Feb. 19, 2005, 01:24:27 PM EST
Watch my left hand while my right hand...
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jb4)
- Feb. 17, 2005, 06:24:34 PM EST
Rice is the one who claimed...
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Simon_Jester)
- Feb. 16, 2005, 05:33:10 PM EST
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