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Post #194,859 by ben_tilly 2/15/05 7:50:49 PM Reply	Same thing? Rice's quote indicates that blacks can never succeed on their own, only whites can. I'd find that discouraging if I was black. Your dad's quote indicates that you can learn best from someone with a clue. That insults nobody. Cheers, Ben I have come to believe that idealism without discipline is a quick road to disaster, while discipline without idealism is pointless. -- Aaron Ward (my brother)
Post #194,868 by daemon 2/15/05 9:29:16 PM Reply	sigh, give me a list of successful black men to follow when Rice was going to school. regards, daemon "I am not scared of al Qaeda, I am scared of fucking al Cracker sayeth Chris Rock
Post #194,880 by Simon_Jester 2/15/05 10:16:51 PM Reply	George Washington Carver comes to mind...ottomh OTTOM - off the top of me head.
Post #194,947 by ben_tilly 2/16/05 10:46:23 AM Reply	Martin Luther King Jr likewise... and why are we limiting it to men? Oprah Winfrey has managed a modicum of success as well. Cheers, Ben I have come to believe that idealism without discipline is a quick road to disaster, while discipline without idealism is pointless. -- Aaron Ward (my brother)
Post #195,059 by daemon 2/16/05 8:28:22 PM Reply	hard to follow these two they are dead :-) "I am not scared of al Qaeda, I am scared of fucking al Cracker sayeth Chris Rock
Post #195,166 by Simon_Jester 2/17/05 11:48:43 AM Reply	Oops, sorry, thought you wanted people that what's-her-name-could follow (thus be alive when she was growing up and all).

Compassionate Conservatives with gay daughters - (tuberculosis) - (87) - Feb. 14, 2005, 07:06:29 PM EST

Triplets, I take it...? -NT - (admin) - (4) - Feb. 14, 2005, 07:13:26 PM EST

Extra lesbians are not necessarily a bad thing -NT - (ben_tilly) - (2) - Feb. 14, 2005, 07:33:29 PM EST

Blatant LPRDism angling. *shunned* -NT - (pwhysall) - (1) - Feb. 14, 2005, 07:36:23 PM EST

..but if your wrist is connected to a USB port -NT - (Ashton) - Feb. 16, 2005, 01:16:42 AM EST

Testament to the high quality of my internet connection -NT - (tuberculosis) - Feb. 15, 2005, 01:27:40 AM EST

Keyes is a nutjob - (JayMehaffey) - (81) - Feb. 15, 2005, 08:18:12 AM EST

Don't think they need him for that. - (bepatient) - (80) - Feb. 15, 2005, 08:58:38 AM EST

All of which are appointed posistions - (JayMehaffey) - Feb. 15, 2005, 09:24:05 AM EST

Dupe -NT - (JayMehaffey) - Feb. 15, 2005, 09:24:37 AM EST

Uncle Toms don't count. HTH. -NT - (mmoffitt) - (77) - Feb. 15, 2005, 09:47:12 AM EST

Nice racist comment - (bepatient) - (3) - Feb. 15, 2005, 10:13:08 AM EST

Just learned to play the game. - (mmoffitt) - (2) - Feb. 15, 2005, 10:34:03 AM EST

Typical rationalization - (bepatient) - (1) - Feb. 15, 2005, 11:15:12 AM EST

Not because they "think" differently. - (mmoffitt) - Feb. 15, 2005, 11:32:42 AM EST

Only gangsta-rappers need apply? -NT - (Arkadiy) - (1) - Feb. 15, 2005, 10:14:51 AM EST

Nope...too successful -NT - (bepatient) - Feb. 15, 2005, 10:29:38 AM EST

That isn't fair - (JayMehaffey) - (70) - Feb. 15, 2005, 10:33:42 AM EST

sorry. my dad said the same thing - (daemon) - (29) - Feb. 15, 2005, 05:52:10 PM EST

Same thing? - (ben_tilly) - (5) - Feb. 15, 2005, 07:50:49 PM EST

sigh, give me a list of successful black men to follow - (daemon) - (4) - Feb. 15, 2005, 09:29:16 PM EST

George Washington Carver comes to mind...ottomh - (Simon_Jester) - (3) - Feb. 15, 2005, 10:16:51 PM EST

Martin Luther King Jr likewise... - (ben_tilly) - Feb. 16, 2005, 10:46:23 AM EST

hard to follow these two they are dead :-) -NT - (daemon) - (1) - Feb. 16, 2005, 08:28:22 PM EST

Oops, sorry, thought you wanted people - (Simon_Jester) - Feb. 17, 2005, 11:48:43 AM EST

Can't back up the quote - (JayMehaffey) - (22) - Feb. 16, 2005, 01:00:35 PM EST

If she said that on the record - (Arkadiy) - (21) - Feb. 16, 2005, 02:03:14 PM EST

Heh. She "came up" in Texas, that's how. -NT - (mmoffitt) - (20) - Feb. 17, 2005, 09:00:48 AM EST

hrm - (bepatient) - (19) - Feb. 17, 2005, 09:23:45 AM EST

How 'bout "Texas brung her to the WH"? Okay? -NT - (mmoffitt) - (17) - Feb. 17, 2005, 09:44:49 AM EST

And none of the afformentioned... - (bepatient) - (16) - Feb. 17, 2005, 09:46:56 AM EST

Proud of this one (you omitted it, so I doubt it). - (mmoffitt) - (15) - Feb. 17, 2005, 10:23:51 AM EST

And this has exactly >what<... - (bepatient) - (14) - Feb. 17, 2005, 10:33:36 AM EST

I can't keep up with ya. - (mmoffitt) - (13) - Feb. 17, 2005, 10:42:09 AM EST

and yet you're blaming it on Texas... -NT - (SpiceWare) - (1) - Feb. 17, 2005, 10:50:29 AM EST

That was a poorly placed tongue-in-cheek reference to her - (mmoffitt) - Feb. 17, 2005, 10:55:37 AM EST

And again... - (bepatient) - (10) - Feb. 17, 2005, 11:35:28 AM EST

Clinton's team - (JayMehaffey) - Feb. 17, 2005, 11:43:56 AM EST

Oops.... - (Simon_Jester) - (8) - Feb. 17, 2005, 11:52:40 AM EST

Sure I have...... - (bepatient) - (7) - Feb. 17, 2005, 06:46:45 PM EST

D-I-Z-Z-Y - (jb4) - (1) - Feb. 17, 2005, 06:56:46 PM EST

Quote - (bepatient) - Feb. 17, 2005, 07:30:49 PM EST

BZZT.... - (Simon_Jester) - (4) - Feb. 18, 2005, 10:23:34 AM EST

Ok...so now it gets even more complicated. - (bepatient) - (3) - Feb. 18, 2005, 12:24:06 PM EST

No, no, no, no, no.... - (Simon_Jester) - (2) - Feb. 18, 2005, 10:28:07 PM EST

Finally - (bepatient) - (1) - Feb. 19, 2005, 12:14:10 PM EST

There we go - (tuberculosis) - Feb. 19, 2005, 01:36:19 PM EST

I will say this - (jake123) - Feb. 17, 2005, 06:05:00 PM EST

Linky for Condi's comments? Thanks. -NT - (Another Scott) - (38) - Feb. 15, 2005, 08:11:44 PM EST

Does it matter? - (mmoffitt) - (37) - Feb. 15, 2005, 08:54:07 PM EST

I don't think she's sleazy. - (Another Scott) - (36) - Feb. 15, 2005, 09:38:38 PM EST

C'mon now - (bepatient) - (35) - Feb. 16, 2005, 12:59:52 AM EST

'Successful' - oh well, then -- what more need be said? -NT - (Ashton) - (12) - Feb. 16, 2005, 01:21:02 AM EST

Interesting retort. - (bepatient) - (11) - Feb. 16, 2005, 02:21:37 AM EST

Re: Interesting spin on 'Success'; dictionary says <obs> - (Ashton) - (10) - Feb. 16, 2005, 03:49:09 AM EST

Do you ever get out of your house? - (Arkadiy) - Feb. 16, 2005, 12:07:11 PM EST

Interesting. - (bepatient) - (8) - Feb. 16, 2005, 02:13:37 PM EST

Really.. Beep - (Ashton) - (7) - Feb. 16, 2005, 07:31:21 PM EST

Sure. - (bepatient) - (6) - Feb. 16, 2005, 07:51:41 PM EST

Hardly a matter of 'the days when' - (Ashton) - (4) - Feb. 16, 2005, 11:44:41 PM EST

YOU are the one that claimed this is a current condition, - (imric) - (2) - Feb. 17, 2005, 07:01:31 AM EST

You are not alone in your definition. - (mmoffitt) - (1) - Feb. 17, 2005, 09:24:21 AM EST

I doubt that. - (bepatient) - Feb. 17, 2005, 09:25:46 AM EST

Re: Hardly a matter of 'the days when' - (bepatient) - Feb. 17, 2005, 09:17:48 AM EST

Hey...If pining for a time when... - (jb4) - Feb. 17, 2005, 02:27:15 PM EST

Successful != Effective - (tuberculosis) - (21) - Feb. 16, 2005, 05:11:19 PM EST

Possibly not - (bepatient) - (20) - Feb. 16, 2005, 07:47:42 PM EST

That and the out and out lies - (tuberculosis) - (18) - Feb. 17, 2005, 01:16:09 AM EST

Those aren't lies to Beep, she simply "mis-spoke". -NT - (mmoffitt) - (17) - Feb. 17, 2005, 09:23:33 AM EST

She's in politics. - (bepatient) - (16) - Feb. 17, 2005, 09:24:51 AM EST

What's fuzzy about - (tuberculosis) - (15) - Feb. 17, 2005, 01:43:27 PM EST

Can I have an "Amen" from the crowd? -NT - (mmoffitt) - (4) - Feb. 18, 2005, 08:14:30 AM EST

Amen! -NT - (imric) - Feb. 18, 2005, 08:29:07 AM EST

Hosanna -NT - (Silverlock) - Feb. 18, 2005, 09:16:35 AM EST

Hallelujah! -NT - (inthane-chan) - Feb. 18, 2005, 11:01:52 AM EST

Doo-wah Diddy!...errrr...Amen! - (jb4) - Feb. 18, 2005, 12:54:57 PM EST

Fine. - (bepatient) - (9) - Feb. 18, 2005, 12:31:30 PM EST

Who would that be.. -NT - (imric) - Feb. 18, 2005, 01:30:35 PM EST

Would be a huge improvement - (tuberculosis) - (7) - Feb. 18, 2005, 01:43:07 PM EST

You aren't alone. - (imric) - (6) - Feb. 18, 2005, 03:24:28 PM EST

It started with the Father of the Them All. - (mmoffitt) - (3) - Feb. 18, 2005, 03:30:46 PM EST

I think he actually believed - (imric) - (2) - Feb. 18, 2005, 03:34:05 PM EST

True. - (mmoffitt) - (1) - Feb. 18, 2005, 04:23:57 PM EST

And of course if RR had been forced to live by his policies - (tuberculosis) - Feb. 18, 2005, 04:38:15 PM EST

Brevity Award - two ears and a tail. - (Ashton) - (1) - Feb. 19, 2005, 06:40:11 AM EST

Mahablog agrees with you there - (tuberculosis) - Feb. 19, 2005, 01:24:27 PM EST

Watch my left hand while my right hand... - (jb4) - Feb. 17, 2005, 06:24:34 PM EST

Rice is the one who claimed... - (Simon_Jester) - Feb. 16, 2005, 05:33:10 PM EST

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