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Post #12,414 by mmoffitt 10/9/01 10:44:11 AM Reply	My point. He hasn't, no, can't do anything except bomb 'em, send covert nasties over to kill a few, etc, all the same old, same old. My complaint is that the asshole is getting a lot of credit for "leadership" and we are ignoring the mass exodus of our civil rights. Dubya's just going by the numbers already laid out to him, and imo that is not leadership.
Post #12,460 by wharris2 10/9/01 2:41:09 PM Reply	You don't win a war by bombing Oh fine we got rid of some Taleban assets. How many, well, we're told our bombing was a complete success. Then, Mr. Government Spokesperson, tell me again why we are then still running missions at 60,000 feet rather than ground hugging strafing runs. In World War 2, we bombed Dresden to hell and back and they kept turning out munitions. It takes drastic measures (eg, the firebombing of Tokyo) to really take out the enemy, and our year-2000 delicate sensibilities won't permit that. The only way to win a war, short of nuking them ala Japan in 1945, is to have people occupying the area. (But even then we had troops occupying Japan for a number of years.) If allies (such as the Northern Alliance) can't do it, we're going to have to send people there to break things and kill people. Who knows how empty the sky is In the place of a fallen tower. Who knows how quiet it is in the home Where a son has not returned. -- Anna Akhmatova (1889-1966)
Post #12,516 by kmself 10/9/01 6:28:38 PM Reply	Firebombing Kabul From photos, indiginous construction is largely brick and stone. Stone doesn't burn at anything near attainable temperatures. Note too: Dreseden was firebombed. For a US perspective, see Vonnegut's Slaughterhouse Five. My read is that the air assaults are paving the way for ground war. We've knocked out enough defenses to fly day raids now. The NA report having severed the Taliban's northerthern forces' supply route, and Taliban airborne resupply is preempted by US air superiority. I expect land actions to commence within the week. `-- Karsten M. Self [link\|mailto:kmself@ix.netcom.com\|kmself@ix.netcom.com] What part of "gestalt" don't you understand?`

Admitting a mistake - (Fearless Freep) - (41) - Oct. 2, 2001, 12:17:09 AM EDT

Re: Admitting a mistake - (wharris2) - (18) - Oct. 2, 2001, 12:59:38 AM EDT

dunno - (boxley) - Oct. 2, 2001, 10:08:25 AM EDT

Oh Sure. Sure. Keep telling yourself that. - (deSitter) - (16) - Oct. 3, 2001, 01:27:46 AM EDT

self-generated crisis? - (wharris2) - (15) - Oct. 3, 2001, 05:13:49 AM EDT

YOU IDIOT! PRAISING REAGAN??? - (deSitter) - (14) - Oct. 3, 2001, 11:29:50 PM EDT

Self generated crisis? - (bepatient) - (11) - Oct. 4, 2001, 12:08:45 AM EDT

Re: Self generated crisis? - (pwhysall) - Oct. 4, 2001, 01:46:09 AM EDT

Some sources disagree... - (Simon_Jester) - (8) - Oct. 4, 2001, 12:40:15 PM EDT

Haven't seen them... - (bepatient) - (7) - Oct. 4, 2001, 12:53:31 PM EDT

See if I can find it but.... - (Fearless Freep) - Oct. 4, 2001, 01:40:13 PM EDT

According to the sources I read (I'm looking for them...) - (Simon_Jester) - (5) - Oct. 5, 2001, 01:58:40 PM EDT

Source I was thinking of... - (Simon_Jester) - (4) - Oct. 5, 2001, 02:11:13 PM EDT

Still... - (bepatient) - (3) - Oct. 5, 2001, 02:26:28 PM EDT

Here's one supporting this... - (Another Scott) - (1) - Oct. 5, 2001, 02:55:16 PM EDT

Good one... - (bepatient) - Oct. 5, 2001, 04:45:26 PM EDT

A very long time.... - (Simon_Jester) - Oct. 5, 2001, 10:22:42 PM EDT

Not a bad plan... - (jb4) - Oct. 5, 2001, 08:57:43 AM EDT

Re: YOU IDIOT! PRAISING REAGAN??? - (wharris2) - Oct. 4, 2001, 12:34:12 AM EDT

? - (JayMehaffey) - Oct. 5, 2001, 09:22:52 AM EDT

Earnest, perhaps a tad premature. - (Ashton) - (7) - Oct. 2, 2001, 07:10:14 AM EDT

Bush's greatest asset - (jb4) - (4) - Oct. 2, 2001, 08:57:44 AM EDT

Thank God - (deSitter) - (3) - Oct. 3, 2001, 01:45:51 AM EDT

Wilson - The president who brought Segregation to - (Another Scott) - (2) - Oct. 3, 2001, 08:31:48 AM EDT

Idiotic Polemics. The man wanted world gov't. - (deSitter) - (1) - Oct. 3, 2001, 11:31:51 PM EDT

You're pretty predictable yourself.... -NT - (Another Scott) - Oct. 3, 2001, 11:33:11 PM EDT

Nit re: 'great skill with language' - (drewk) - (1) - Oct. 2, 2001, 10:07:48 AM EDT

There's a distinction. - (Ashton) - Oct. 3, 2001, 06:45:35 PM EDT

Idiocy -NT - (deSitter) - Oct. 3, 2001, 01:25:36 AM EDT

I'm really, really, really sick of this. - (mmoffitt) - (12) - Oct. 8, 2001, 03:50:06 PM EDT

Umm.. He didn't end the planet...yet anyway. - (hnick) - (4) - Oct. 8, 2001, 06:15:43 PM EDT

Just wondering... - (jb4) - Oct. 8, 2001, 06:36:32 PM EDT

Sad commentary is: he's given credit for Not - (Ashton) - (2) - Oct. 8, 2001, 08:31:28 PM EDT

You think that credit is owed to him? - (mmoffitt) - (1) - Oct. 9, 2001, 10:37:59 AM EDT

Our hope lies in a Fact: - (Ashton) - Oct. 9, 2001, 08:37:05 PM EDT

And what the fuck do/did you expect him to do? - (wharris2) - (6) - Oct. 8, 2001, 10:11:54 PM EDT

FAA especially - (Ashton) - (2) - Oct. 9, 2001, 04:56:43 AM EDT

STATE DEPARTMENT - (mmoffitt) - (1) - Oct. 9, 2001, 10:48:44 AM EDT

Re: STATE DEPARTMENT - (wharris2) - Oct. 9, 2001, 02:30:16 PM EDT

My point. - (mmoffitt) - (2) - Oct. 9, 2001, 10:44:11 AM EDT

You don't win a war by bombing - (wharris2) - (1) - Oct. 9, 2001, 02:41:09 PM EDT

Firebombing Kabul - (kmself) - Oct. 9, 2001, 06:28:38 PM EDT

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