Post #11,405
10/3/01 5:13:49 AM
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self-generated crisis?
Once every two or three weeks, I think you make sense, then you go and show how abysmally stupid you are.
Who knows how empty the sky is
In the place of a fallen tower.
Who knows how quiet it is in the home
Where a son has not returned.
-- Anna Akhmatova (1889-1966)
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Post #11,670
10/3/01 11:29:50 PM
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YOU IDIOT! PRAISING REAGAN???
Like Jay "my head in the sand" O'Conner, praising the jackass of all time. Utter stupidity.
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Post #11,678
10/4/01 12:08:45 AM
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Self generated crisis?
Care to explain?
We've covered alot of this already.
Say what you want about Ronnie Rayguns...but our enemies were afraid when he was at the controls.Agree or disagree if you want...
And boy wouldn't Ralph Nader been great to have in charge...he would have sent Osama a care package of Corvairs.Special forces comprised of crash test dummies...and all weapons would be U/L.
we did not put the Taliban in power. We did not fund or assist Bin Laden. We opposed the same enemy at one time...and possibly through inaction allowed the Taliban to take power...but that would be a damned if you do damned if you don't argument.
So...did Uncle Sam buy these guys their airline tickets or what...inquiring minds want to know.
You were born...and so you're free...so Happy Birthday! Laurie Anderson
[link|mailto:bepatient@aol.com|BePatient]
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Post #11,687
10/4/01 1:46:09 AM
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Re: Self generated crisis?
"Say what you want about Ronnie Rayguns...but our enemies were afraid when he was at the controls."
Dude, your *friends* were afraid when he was at the controls...
Peter
Shill For Hire
[link|http://www.kuro5hin.org|There is no K5 Cabal]
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Post #11,767
10/4/01 12:40:15 PM
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Some sources disagree...
We did not fund or assist Bin Laden.
In fact, some cite that we assisted bin Ladin specificially because of the proposed "Communistic threat" that Reagan fought against.
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Post #11,770
10/4/01 12:53:31 PM
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Haven't seen them...
All I've seen is that there were weapons commitments made to the Afghan fighters. Most notably Stingers. These weapons did, in fact, turn the tide in the war against the USSR.
That does NOT constitute direct assistance to Bin Laden...and the CIA operatives that I've seen say that while they were running in the same circles...Bin Laden was giving more money to them than we were....and we were definitely not giving any money or support to him directly.
This is why the Taliban support him so...he was more directly involved than the US was in the war against the USSR. They owe him. But Bin Laden turned on the US when we did not leave Saudi after Desert Storm.
You were born...and so you're free...so Happy Birthday! Laurie Anderson
[link|mailto:bepatient@aol.com|BePatient]
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Post #11,778
10/4/01 1:40:13 PM
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See if I can find it but....
We were supporting some of the rebels in Afghanistan but not bin Laden or the Taliban. The Taliban was created by the Pakistanis and Saudis, unknown to us, as a way of keeping a certain amount of instability in Afghanistan to prevent a pipeline from Uzbeckistan to the coast because Uzb. has a *lot* of oil.
After the USSR was out, *the* the Taliban moved into the power vacuum
Jay O'Connor
"Going places unmapped
to do things unplanned
to people unsuspecting"
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Post #11,952
10/5/01 1:58:40 PM
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According to the sources I read (I'm looking for them...)
We tried to train the Afgan fighters. But they were...um..difficult to work with.
So we worked with the Muslim that moved into the area (and which were easier to train).
I doubt we ever expected them to take over the country, much less attack us. These were Saudias, (according to some sources) our best allies over there bar none. Hell, we sell the Saudias some of our better defense equipment. They were fighting Communism. Why WOULDN'T we train them?
(I'm looking for my sources now though.)
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Post #11,955
10/5/01 2:11:13 PM
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Source I was thinking of...
[link|http://msnbc.com/news/190144.asp?cp1=1| Source ]
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Post #11,958
10/5/01 2:26:28 PM
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Still...
...it was on CNN, IIRC...an interview that touched upon these issues...with a member of the CIA team...basically said that the CIA and Osama's organizations were both interested in the same objectives...there wasn't any financial support and very little military support provided directly to his organization. It was more of a "hey, Osama...find out where these Stingers are supposed to go" than a "here's a bunch of Stingers for you to distribute" kind of assistance.
But in order to know for sure...we'll have to wait for those documents to be de-classified...and I've a feeling that may take a really long time.
You were born...and so you're free...so Happy Birthday! Laurie Anderson
[link|mailto:bepatient@aol.com|BePatient]
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Post #11,967
10/5/01 2:55:16 PM
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Here's one supporting this...
From Frontline [link|http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/binladen/interviews/bearden.html|Interview with Milton Bearden].
Cheers,
Scott.
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Post #11,990
10/5/01 4:45:26 PM
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Good one...
...cause thats the interview I saw...so it was PBS...not CNN.
You were born...and so you're free...so Happy Birthday! Laurie Anderson
[link|mailto:bepatient@aol.com|BePatient]
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Post #12,032
10/5/01 10:22:42 PM
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A very long time....
But in order to know for sure...we'll have to wait for those documents to be de-classified...and I've a feeling that may take a really long time.
if ever. Probably doesn't really matter anyway.
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Post #11,901
10/5/01 8:57:43 AM
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Not a bad plan...
And boy wouldn't Ralph Nader been great to have in charge...he would have sent Osama a care package of Corvairs.Special forces comprised of crash test dummies...and all weapons would be U/L. Good plan...Guaranteed win for US! jb4
(Resistance is not futile...)
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Post #11,682
10/4/01 12:34:12 AM
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Re: YOU IDIOT! PRAISING REAGAN???
(shrug) Next to your revocation of Christianity on 9/12, this just goes to prove you're too stupid to breathe.
Who knows how empty the sky is
In the place of a fallen tower.
Who knows how quiet it is in the home
Where a son has not returned.
-- Anna Akhmatova (1889-1966)
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Post #11,904
10/5/01 9:22:52 AM
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I would have thought you supported Reagan. After all, with Reagan you could be sure that our military policy was being determined by astrologers.
I'm now running for cover.
Jay
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