Post #68,684
12/13/02 1:21:02 PM
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Huh?
He said he was proud that his state supported Strom FOR PRESIDENT. Moreover, he said that we would have been BETTER OFF if Strom had won the office. You can't have it both ways. You support a candidate BECAUSE of what that candidate represents, what he says he'll do if elected, etc.
Are you saying that "being proud to have supported Strom Thurmond for President" and wishing he would have won so that we'd be better off is not equivalent to "being proud to have supported the positions that Strom held when he ran for President"?
It is the SAME SENTIMENT expressed in different words.
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Post #68,699
12/13/02 2:59:59 PM
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You are stretching way too far...
...for the express purpose of inventing a racist statement where none was made.
Period.
There is no doubt that Lott was an idiot...because through no fault but his own lack of preparation he walked into this all by his lonesome.
I will maintain, though, that anyone with any measure of sense would not associate what was said as a racist remark.
You were born...and so you're free...so Happy Birthday! Laurie Anderson
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Post #68,700
12/13/02 3:05:41 PM
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Lack of preparation?
These are essentially the same remarks he has made before to the same man.
Why should we ask our military to die for cheap oil when the rest of us aren't even being asked to get better mileage?
-[link|http://www.workingforchange.com/article.cfm?itemid=14107|Molly Ivins]
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Post #68,701
12/13/02 3:21:51 PM
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So Strom has turned 100 twice?
Not out of the question I suppose.
And if he said this before...why are we only talking about it now?
You were born...and so you're free...so Happy Birthday! Laurie Anderson
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Post #68,705
12/13/02 3:31:35 PM
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What?
Did I mention a birthday at all? 1980 [link|http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/lott1.html|URL].
Why are we only talking about now? Damn good question. Must be that old liberal media bias.
Why should we ask our military to die for cheap oil when the rest of us aren't even being asked to get better mileage?
-[link|http://www.workingforchange.com/article.cfm?itemid=14107|Molly Ivins]
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Post #68,709
12/13/02 3:34:32 PM
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ROFL! "Medja bias strikes again". :-D
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Post #68,711
12/13/02 3:36:18 PM
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What are you talking about?
people have been talking about Lott for quiet a while now. They're just now getting LISTENED to.
Senate Majority Leader Trent Lott (R-Miss.), who last week claimed "no firsthand knowledge" of the controversial Council of Conservative Citizens, six years ago told the group's members they "stand for the right principles and the right philosophy."
This week, after being asked about a newly surfaced copy of the group's 1992 newsletter, in which he appears to endorse the group and ask for its support, Lott renounced the organization and said through a spokesman he has nothing to do with them.
[link|http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/daily/dec98/lott16.htm| Washington Post - 1998 ]
So the chairman of the NAACP wants to know where these same senators are when it comes to the Council of Conservative Citizens, which promotes the preservation of the white race and whose Web site features articles warning that the nation is turning into a "slimy brown mass of glop." Sen. Trent Lott once addressed this group's national board, welcomed its leaders to Washington, had photos taken with them in his office and then said he didn't know what they were about. The CCC's directors wink and nod at that. One of them was a county chairman of Lott's '94 reelection campaign. One of them is his uncle.
[link|http://www.ferris.edu/isar/Institut/CCC/disavow.htm| "Institude for the Study for Academic Racism" ] It's been on of Washington's Dirty little secrets for quiet a while now (according to some sources).
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Post #68,717
12/13/02 3:44:41 PM
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Feel Trent's pain
[link|http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/analysis/toons/2002/12/12/mitchell/index.html|URL]
Why should we ask our military to die for cheap oil when the rest of us aren't even being asked to get better mileage?
-[link|http://www.workingforchange.com/article.cfm?itemid=14107|Molly Ivins]
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Post #68,721
12/13/02 3:50:20 PM
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Actually Ted Stevens would be a better leader
too far from the fringes though to get elected to the leadership. His pulled pork might be stifled also.
thanx,
Bill
will work for cash and other incentives [link|http://home.tampabay.rr.com/boxley/resume/Resume.html|skill set]
I was so poor growing up ... if I wasn't a boy ...I'd have nothing to play with.
--Rodney Dangerfield
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Post #68,720
12/13/02 3:48:52 PM
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CCC?
Intentionally like the KKK?
Regards,
-scott anderson
"Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."
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Post #68,733
12/13/02 4:06:01 PM
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Actually, according to their website - it would be cofcc.
Except that their web site is currently down for some reasons. Google has a [link|http://216.239.33.100/search?q=cache:UxJsA3BQqkAC:www.cofcc.org/+council+for+conservative+citizens&hl=en&ie=UTF-8| cache ] of it though.
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Post #68,754
12/13/02 4:29:24 PM
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Er. Yeah.
Regards,
-scott anderson
"Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."
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Post #68,731
12/13/02 4:04:36 PM
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Tone and tenor.
I'm not even remotely supporting him as the Rep Majority Leader, because as you are aware he has a tendency to act and then think...and since he's not all that bright...well the problems ensue from there...
However, the furor surrounding this statement and the immediate cry of racism to me are alot more suspect than the statement itself. The hue and cry come from those who use racism for gain. They have no interest in the truth of the statement at all.
At this point, Lott should step down. Whether he meant it as a racist statement or not, the honorable thing to do is walk. But we all know there is no honor inside the beltway.
You were born...and so you're free...so Happy Birthday! Laurie Anderson
[link|mailto:bepatient@aol.com|BePatient]
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Post #68,743
12/13/02 4:18:52 PM
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Re: the furor surrounding this
An interesting hypothesis for why all of the furor
[link|http://www.buzzflash.com/analysis/2002/12/12_Lott.html|Here] first and then a [link|http://www.buzzflash.com/analysis/2002/12/13_Lott.html|followup].
Why should we ask our military to die for cheap oil when the rest of us aren't even being asked to get better mileage?
-[link|http://www.workingforchange.com/article.cfm?itemid=14107|Molly Ivins]
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Post #68,755
12/13/02 4:29:50 PM
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Interesting...
I decided to head out to the cofcc's website. (Part of the damnation of Lott is that he made a speech for them and they're supposed to be a fairly rascist organistion.)
The catch is that their website is down. (No surprise there.) It is in google's catch.
But, do some digging. Ignore the "Support Lott" articles on the front page. There's a public forum.
The oldest post is Dec 11, 2002.
hmm... head over to NIC. cofcc was registered 2001 (weird, but okay). Last update, yesterday.
hmmm.
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Post #69,425
12/17/02 5:33:05 PM
12/17/02 6:01:43 PM
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Dupe reply. Pls ignore.
When the rich assemble to concern themselves with the business of the poor, it is called Charity. When the poor assemble to concern themselves with the business of the rich, it is called Anarchy.
-Paul Richards
Edited by Ashton
Dec. 17, 2002, 06:01:43 PM EST
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Post #68,708
12/13/02 3:33:30 PM
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Maybe we've reached the nut.
I maintain that being proud of supporting a man running for President on a clearly racist platform is evidence of racist sympathies.
You differ.
That about right?
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Post #68,734
12/13/02 4:08:14 PM
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No, not really.
I think a statement made to placate a 100 year old man has been removed completely from context and is being used as a weapon.
Need I repeat that Lott wasn't of legal voting age? He wasn't old enough to support him.
You were born...and so you're free...so Happy Birthday! Laurie Anderson
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Post #68,744
12/13/02 4:19:04 PM
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Not that again.
I used shorthand again, he said he was proud of his state.
And I'd buy the "he was just trying to please an old man" argument IF this was the first time Lott had made statements like this one. But, as others have documented, it's not.
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Post #68,759
12/13/02 4:37:10 PM
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2nd
Same statement. Same guy.
Took everyone 22 years to get offended.
You were born...and so you're free...so Happy Birthday! Laurie Anderson
[link|mailto:bepatient@aol.com|BePatient]
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Post #68,798
12/13/02 9:26:52 PM
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Wrong
Took everyone 22 years to get offended. I got offended the first time I heard about it. Damn that liberal press for not informing me earlier. </sign> Why should we ask our military to die for cheap oil when the rest of us aren't even being asked to get better mileage?
-[link|http://www.workingforchange.com/article.cfm?itemid=14107|Molly Ivins]
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Post #68,799
12/13/02 9:27:56 PM
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No, not__ "22 years to be offended".
Merely "22 years of being resigned"; of becoming -of necessity- inured to the sort of representatives which a significant portion of the Murican population will elect. People who share the principles espoused by this 100 yo and this admirer of himself and his 'works'.
22 years (clearly many more than that) of hearing euphemisms of 'explanation' following each unfortunate "Slip from the Heart" of YAN good 'ol boy a lettin his hair down, presumably in the company of the like-minded.. Oops! there was a reporter around! Spin control. Again!
Nah.. he didn't really Mean that stuff on his platform for President, that platform which defines his principles and their supporters. Nahhh.. 'twas a mere bagatelle, those harsh words about them uppity nigras and all
Really, BeeP - how you can just skim right over Lott's exact words and emulate the 3 monkeys, See- no, Hear- no, ignore their content and call it, "mere tribute to some 100 yo guy" - yeah,
("100 yo guy" whose POV couldn't Possibly Have Affected legislation during his lengthy tenure... Naah. Far-fteched, that.) {sheesh}
I'll remember this Outstandingly Liberal Christian Charity\ufffd following any next quip re the undead horse or the umm Librul Meeja.. Why Gandhiji couldn't have been more umm sanctimoniously? nonjudgmental: Kudos for your recent conversion to Nonjudgment-al-ism.
I am humbled to be in the company of such Pristine Goodness of Heart, and so recently revealed.
Ashton
sooo Unworthy
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Post #68,813
12/13/02 10:11:09 PM
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I didn't skim.
I know what his words were.
22 years makes alot of difference.
In those 22 years we've developed wonderful policies like zero tolerance. (insert endless list of political correctness here)
And its amazing that [link|http://z.iwethey.org/forums/render/content/show?contentid=47441|one] receives support after a miscontrued statement...while this one can't be let go.
Hmmm. I suppose it depends on which side you're on.
You were born...and so you're free...so Happy Birthday! Laurie Anderson
[link|mailto:bepatient@aol.com|BePatient]
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Post #68,855
12/14/02 1:34:34 AM
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Support?
Well with support like that..
The last not patently Right-slanted Tee Vee show on Corp Tee Vee is cancelled and - that constitutes 'support'?
(Sears gets no more of my bizness either - cowards; we knew the network folk were cowards already.. look at the juvenile crap to be served up next! but Sears too? Ah right, Bizness: keep it bland; keep it light - keep it dumb. Or else.) Guess yer too young to remember the cancellation of the Smothers Brothers, Laugh-In - for similar non-dumbth skits. But I'm not.
Perhaps you mean then to compare Lott's tribute to,
a remark claiming that (~ IIRC) "..whatever you want to call the people who flew into those buildings, it can't be coward". Then I recall he added a comment about "cowardly being - sending in pilotless planes to attack [forget the predicate]" maybe the 'pharm chem' factory? or the other spot vacated by bin-L a few hours before?
Hmmm - if that last had happened earlier - maybe we'd be getting ready to battle Oceania N. Korea instead of the [oil] place - next.
Somehow I don't think that this sure-to-be inflammatory remark, thus {Holy Shit} controversial remark {on Murican sanitized Tee Vee!!} rises to the scale of: supporting the agenda of the 100 yo Thurmond dinosaur as fulsomely, one might say abjectly - as we all heard, many times now.
But you might.
Ashton
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