Re: What's not to understand???

Post #67,476 by pwhysall 12/9/02 10:08:34 AM Reply	Re: What's not to understand??? I want to attach a computer to a Local Area Network. (This works, already.) Okay. Then I want to attach the same computer to another Local Area Network. (This works too, after a fashion.) Nod. The Local Area Networks are slightly different. (Of course... How could they NOT be?) Indeed. So the computer should be configured slightly differently for each Local Area Network. (This is what doesn't work, right now... Except by changing each setting manually. (That's what I mean by "after a fashion", above.)) Okay, I now start to see what you want. What I want to do is set up these slightly differently-configured Local Area Network connections on the computer, so both alternatives are readily available under the "Network" menu-thingy under the the "Settings" menu-thingy under the Start button. You want to have two sets of network settings for the same network card, I think... So I won't have to right-click the single Local Area Network connection I have there, click "Properties", select "TCP/IP Protocol", click "Properties"... And so on and so on, each and every time I disconnect the computer from one Local Area Network and connect it to another one, you see? ...I think correctly. This has, AFAICS, fuck-all to do with "configuration of hardware" since it happens the same way with all machines I've tried it with. Yeah, well, OK, both machines... :-) But still! It sort of HAS got something to do with hardware. I shall explain shortly. Here's what you need to do. You need to set up a second hardware profile on the box. This is the only way to have two sets of network settings on the same physical card - SHORT OF actually binding two different IP addresses to the same card. Trust me, you don't want to do that. Here's how you create another hardware profile: 1. Start->Settings->Control Panel->System 2. Choose the Hardware tab 3. Click Hardware Profiles 4. Click Copy... 5. Type in a name for the new profile 6. Reboot 7. At the choice screen, choose the new hardware profile 8. Log in as you usually would, and then configure the TCP/IP settings as you want for the other network When you want to revert to the original network settings, reboot and use the original hardware profile. Peter [link\|http://www.debian.org\|Shill For Hire] [link\|http://www.kuro5hin.org\|There is no K5 Cabal] [link\|http://guildenstern.dyndns.org\|Blog]
Post #67,483 by boxley 12/9/02 10:18:10 AM Reply	ifconfig eth0:1 works on nix why did you make the statement SHORT OF actually binding two different IP addresses to the same card. Trust me, you don't want to do that why not? thanx, bill will work for cash and other incentives [link\|http://home.tampabay.rr.com/boxley/resume/Resume.html\|skill set] Opera was the television of the nineteenth century:loud, vulgar and garish with plots that could only be called infantile. "Pendergast"
Post #67,485 by pwhysall 12/9/02 10:20:41 AM Reply	Bad Idea on Windows 2000 Peter [link\|http://www.debian.org\|Shill For Hire] [link\|http://www.kuro5hin.org\|There is no K5 Cabal] [link\|http://guildenstern.dyndns.org\|Blog]
Post #67,520 by boxley 12/9/02 11:19:06 AM Reply	why is binding 2 addresses on one nic bad in 2k? the OS cant handle aliasing? thanx, bill will work for cash and other incentives [link\|http://home.tampabay.rr.com/boxley/resume/Resume.html\|skill set] Opera was the television of the nineteenth century:loud, vulgar and garish with plots that could only be called infantile. "Pendergast"
Post #67,522 by pwhysall 12/9/02 11:20:28 AM Reply	Thanks - saved me an explanation That's basically it. Peter [link\|http://www.debian.org\|Shill For Hire] [link\|http://www.kuro5hin.org\|There is no K5 Cabal] [link\|http://guildenstern.dyndns.org\|Blog]
Post #67,539 by deSitter 12/9/02 11:55:09 AM Reply	Not bad at all - very useful My external NIC is configured with two separate IP addresses. I can run a website on one port of the alternate address and block everything else to that address. I use the primary address for letting the internal network see the outside world. The primary address is invisible to the world - incoming packets are all dropped unless they have an entry in the NAT table, i.e. originated on the inside. -drl
Post #67,495 by CRConrad 12/9/02 10:41:27 AM Reply	Ah, great - will try that. Thanks!!
Post #67,543 by deSitter 12/9/02 12:02:23 PM Reply	Re: What's not to understand??? Here's what you need to do. You need to set up a second hardware profile on the box. This is the only way to have two sets of network settings on the same physical card - SHORT OF actually binding two different IP addresses to the same card. Trust me, you don't want to do that. This is a terrible idea! Even if it works (no intervening switch to drop packets, unlikely on a corporate net) it's a horrible violation of good network administration. As for not using a second IP address on the same interface, there are very good reasons to do that (see below) but they are not related to CRC's problem. -drl
Post #67,608 by pwhysall 12/9/02 3:23:00 PM Reply	Re: What's not to understand??? You need to set up a second hardware profile on the box. This is the only way to have two sets of network settings on the same physical card - SHORT OF actually binding two different IP addresses to the same card. Trust me, you don't want to do that. This is a terrible idea! Even if it works (no intervening switch to drop packets, unlikely on a corporate net) it's a horrible violation of good network administration. Like bollocks it is. And in usual hit'n'run fashion, there's no exposition of why my perfectly working solution to Christian's problem is "terrible". You're getting very good at spouting impressive-sounding but fundamentally broken advice, Ross. Peter [link\|http://www.debian.org\|Shill For Hire] [link\|http://www.kuro5hin.org\|There is no K5 Cabal] [link\|http://guildenstern.dyndns.org\|Blog]
Post #67,612 by deSitter 12/9/02 3:34:41 PM Reply	Re: What's not to understand??? ?? You simply don't run logically distinct networks on the same segment! As mentioned below, if the need for that arise (say, you're an ISP doling out IP address ranges on a given subnet) then you manage it with custom netmasks. This is elementary IP networking. -drl
Post #67,623 by pwhysall 12/9/02 4:12:47 PM Reply	You're doing it again! Just saying "I am Ross, hear me roar, this is the way it is" cuts no ice with me. Either explain yourself or SHUT UP. Peter [link\|http://www.debian.org\|Shill For Hire] [link\|http://www.kuro5hin.org\|There is no K5 Cabal] [link\|http://guildenstern.dyndns.org\|Blog]
Post #67,557 by folkert 12/9/02 12:53:37 PM Reply	Ahhh, that'd be the best way. Winders Hates "fuzzy" stuff... But it can deal with hardware profiles... being exactly the same, but different config... You can then tailor each profile for localized settings. `[link\|mailto:curley95@attbi.com\|greg] - Grand-Master Artist in IT [link\|http://www.iwethey.org/ed_curry/\|REMEMBER ED CURRY!!!]` Your friendly Geheime Staatspolizei reminds: [link\|http://www.wired.com/news/wireless/0,1382,56742,00.html\|Wi-Fi enabled device use] comes with an all inclusive free trip to the (county)Photographer! Overbooking, is a problem, please be prepared for "room-ies". Why You ask? Here is the answer to your query: `SELECT * FROM politicians WHERE iq > 40 OR \\ WHERE ego < 1048575; 0 rows found`

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