Re: Heh heh heh IIS

Post #49,742 by pwhysall 8/18/02 9:03:06 PM Reply	Re: Heh heh heh IIS You're in for a world of pain. IIS sucks in a million administrative ways, and you're going to find them all. If you can't install Linux, fixing broken IIS doin's is well out of reach. Hint. Your file permissions have to be perfect. Peter [link\|http://www.debian.org\|Shill For Hire] [link\|http://www.kuro5hin.org\|There is no K5 Cabal] [link\|http://guildenstern.dyndns.org\|Blog]
Post #49,744 by folkert 8/18/02 10:10:46 PM Reply	Well put my dear, dear, Pete... I just got done making a "master image" for work of W2K pro. I was at it for nearly four days AFTER I had gotten all the drivers for the various devices and such for all the models of machines we have... Four days of nothing other than checking and re-checking every single setting... ACLs up the ying yang... File System Permissions... Permissions for users... basically I HAD to make it so the machine did AUTOMAGIC login on the workstation after authentication to eDIR. It works on 2 levels... If Netware is found on any interface... it forces an eDIR authentication... If it sees NO network... it just goes to the desktop... and for those funny little trouble makers whom plug-in AFTER getting to the desktop... as soon as the interface becomes active... it forces an eDIR login... nice... is no real way to disable it... cause we have deep-freeze for parts of the registry... I like deep-freeze... but hate it too... We cannot force down changes to those settings easily... BUT we can make sure that the users STILL get to the resources they need... How are we gonna do the updates??? I dunno... but I am sure someone will come up with something... (namely me or my cohorts at work)... ish it ALWAYS seems like we find those STUPID issues everyone just says... just do it this way... as a work around... well I don;t really like using work-arounds at all... UNLESS there is no future in sight without them... Sort of like defining static routes instead of listening for them wiht RIPv1 or RIPv2 or OSPF or <insert favorite routing protocol>. Well I dunna like static routes one bit... not one bit at all... I prefer automagic costing and dynamic routing like it is supposed to work... Well, on to the tough part of a W2K rollout... training people how to munge up thier install... and make a TON more work for us... Then we roll XP in Classic mode after "the hurt everyone wants"... Faculty DO NOT understand how restrictive W2K will be deployed in a "enterprise" way... or How XP professional is so different from XP Home... I just CAN'T wait!!! HAHAHAHAHA `greg - Grand-Master Artist in IT, curley95@attbi.com -- [link\|http://www.iwethey.org/ed_curry/\|REMEMBER ED CURRY!!!]`
Post #49,902 by orion 8/20/02 11:20:23 AM Reply	They way I figure it if the law firm that I used to work for was smart enough to get IIS running, how hard can it be? I run my own at [link\|http://normad.homelnux.com\|normad.homelinux.com] as a test. Someday I hope to migrate to Linux and Apache if I can just get that X-Windows GUI to work without complaining about a missing screen or font. I suspect my "generic" monitor may not have the right driver or settings for Linux? My server has Windows 2000 Server with SP3, all the latest updates, guest account disabled, IIS with .NET Beta (Couldn't afford the retail release yet as I am unemployed), and Winroute for the Firewall that logs each IP access so I can see who is hitting my server. Anything else I should do to secure it? *[link\|http://games.speakeasy.net/data/files/khan.jpg\|"Khan!!!" -Kirk]*
Post #50,618 by pwhysall 9/5/02 11:23:49 AM Reply	Securing W2K Server Without An MCSE [link\|http://www.debian.org\|Click here] or [link\|http://www.openbsd.org\|here]. Expose W2K to the internet without a real firewall or experience in securing it? /me falls over. Peter [link\|http://www.debian.org\|Shill For Hire] [link\|http://www.kuro5hin.org\|There is no K5 Cabal] [link\|http://guildenstern.dyndns.org\|Blog]
Post #50,644 by orion 9/5/02 3:12:48 PM Reply	Hah hah, grin. The goal is to migrate to Linux, but if I cannot even get my Linux box to connect to the Internet, or run X, or even access my network card I put in it, then what good is it? I don't have the time to edit a million text files just to get a web server running. I get constantly interrupted at home, either a phone call (dozens of telemarketers, most based in India, tend to call my house each day. Always "Out Of Area" on Caller ID, and they speak with a thick accent. I tell them to take me off their list, but apparently they don't understand that. Also they don't take "No" for an answer, and when I hang up on them, all of a sudden my next credit card bill has "Questsavers" or some other charge on it, which I call them up and tell them I said "No" to the guy on the phone, but they charged me anyway. I'd call block "Out of Area" calls, but also that is what happens when my wife's relatives from Thailand call, and those calls have to get through.) Anyway my wife bugs me every 15 minutes as well. Whe she is working, I have to watch our son. Right now I got lucky because she is taking her Aunt back to Perryville, MO, which is a few hours away and she took our son with her. I had time today to add more oil to my car, get a full tank of gas, buy some shampoo and a toothbrush, return the 2 for a dollar video tape rentals, get my suits from the cleaners, check my email, and get that phone call from the guy I interviewed with yesterday who now offers me a job. Winroute Pro is logging each IP connection, I can block ports. The guest account is disabled, etc. My Windows 2000 Server, DEVX, is up, my Linux box ZOD2, is down, and X-Windows btched to me about a fixed width font and screen missing, and apparently cannot connect to my network via the Realtek network card I am using on it. I am; however, having a grand old time getting Cygwin and TWiki trying to work on the W2K Server with IIS. I reinstalled the RCS in Cygwin, but when I run RCS under Cygwin it blows up Cygwin, it also will not compile the 5.7 RCS source code? Boogle! Also I am still downloading the SuSE Linux for my neighbor, 5Gigs? What directories will he really need to install it, all 8 CDR disks? Which directories are needed for a SuSE 8.0 install, and which are not? [link\|http://games.speakeasy.net/data/files/khan.jpg\|"Khan!!!" -Kirk]*
Post #50,694 by ben_tilly 9/5/02 7:40:18 PM Reply	Trust Peter on this If you want to put IIS up there, then it will be like all of the IIS boxes out there that so routinely cough up databases and administrative access to the first script kiddie to come knocking. Setting up Linux is definitely easier than getting IIS right. OTOH getting IIS wrong and not knowing it is easier still... Cheers, Ben Computer Science is no more about computers than astronomy is about telescopes. -- Edsger Wybe Dijkstra (1930-2002)
Post #52,582 by pwhysall 9/21/02 12:56:02 AM Reply	Re: Hah hah, grin. I don't have the time to edit a million text files just to get a web server running. This tells me everything I need to know. You haven't got a chance, because you're not really interested. There aren't a "million" text files. You're exaggerating, because you haven't looked. X-Windows btched to me about a fixed width font and screen missing, and apparently cannot connect to my network via the Realtek network card I am using on it. This is not a bug report. If you can't even be arsed posting a message here with the exact error message, then I question your commitment. "Oh look it failed, just like I thought it would. I won't bother fixing it, but I'll be sure to whine about it later." This is, in fact, yet another excuse. And it's NOT "X-Windows". It's "X" or the "X Window System". It's the first thing on the man page. Which you've read, right? If you want an OS where the install is guaranteed pain free, just cough your $200 to Bill and get Windows XP. Of course, you've just given MS remote root access to your computer (check your EULA) and the web server is...interesting, but hey. You don't have to "edit a million text files". [OT: Drop the asterisks. If you want to say the word "bitch" then say so. Don't be coy about it - it's annoying as HELL.] [Way OT: Stop wedging half a dozen different tech issues into one post.] Peter* [link\|http://www.debian.org\|Shill For Hire] [link\|http://www.kuro5hin.org\|There is no K5 Cabal] [link\|http://guildenstern.dyndns.org\|Blog]
Post #52,656 by orion 9/21/02 7:34:16 PM Reply	Look here I am not a FUCKING NEWBIE, I fucking ran Linux in 1995-1997, in fucking fact the copies of Linux I have from 1995-1997 run fucking fine with the bitch ass motherfucker older than dirt hardware that I have. Modern Linux pukes on it. In fact, if you want to fucking pay for the shipping I can send the Whitebox PC to you and you can fucking put it on there yourself and ship it back, deal? Chances are you will say to me "Fucking buy a new system, this one is too old to run Linux!" Slackware 3.X installs just fine on my 200Mhz Pentium MMX Whitebox system, but it is old old old, and I'd much rather have the new stuff. Yet the new stuff pukes on me, except for KNOPPIX Linux, which is just a bootable CDR with their brand of Linux on it. I call it X-Windows, like you call Microsoft's crapware Windoze. [link\|http://www.xfree86.org/\|Xfree86] is more like it if you want to get fucking detailed on it. But then your a fucking IT God, you knew this shit and are just fucking with me right? I mean, come on Peter. That is where the hell you download bug fixes and updates from, right? It is a port of the [link\|http://www.x.org/\|X Window System] which I and others joking call X-Windows to make it sound like MS-Windows. In fact, [link\|http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=X-Windows&btnG=Google+Search\|Enter X-Windows into Google] and see what the fuck pops up and stop kidding around with me over the spelling of the fucking product! How about I call it "Peter's Fucking GUI for Unix systems that needs a major rewrite and has more kludged up windows managers than any other GUI I know and according to him should autmagically work and be called X Windows and not X-Windows. So we disagree over the hyphen in the name" Error I got, as far as I can remember, was "Missing fixed width font" and "Missing screen" on the other install. Of course I reformatted the hard drive and installed NT 4.0 in fustration. Tell you what, I'll install it on VirtualPC, see if the error message pops up, then take a screen shot and fucking email it to you. if the error does not come up, I'll just use Virtual PC instead of my old hardware. If I can get the network part to work (if you can, reconmend a good Linux Ethernet card, I'll buy it) and only the CLI comes up, if I can I'll get AT&T's VNC on it, set you up a password and have you remotely log into it and fix the fucker. That is if I can get a VNC server than doesn't need that fucking crapware that is called "X Windows" to work. If you are not up to it, my neighbor says that he can configure SuSE 8.0 to work with my old hardware; however, it could be my monitor and display adapter causing it to panic. All I know is that KNOPPIX works like a champ, but it is CD only, and that Red Hat, Mandrake, SuSE, Debian, etc all puke on it complaining about a missing fixed width font or missing screen. I've tried a S3 VirgeDX, ATI Rage Pro II and got the same results. My monitor is a generic 17" SVGA monitor that I bought from Circuit City for Christmas two years ago because it was on sale. Either it is a CTX or EMC. I haven't done an FCC ID lookup on it yet. All I know is that the generic monitor settings don't work on it. My neighbor says that he might be able to fix it, as he's a Linux Guru of many years, but has been out of work for two years because St. Louis is mostly a MS-Shop. I would have taken him up on the offer; however, I've been fucking busy with that new job and trying to get a test environment to work at home until our NA can set up a VPN that works. I can connect to the VPN, log in with my password and user ID, but I cannot see any of the servers, cannot ping their IP, I am on the same subnet, and IP range as them, same gateway and DNS server settings, etc. I had a 192.168.0.1 IP range on my local network, but our NA said to change that to something else. So I did, many times, and none of them work. If you got ideas about how to get a VPN connection working please let me know and I can reformat my NT/W2K boxes back to Linux so I can get some fucking work at home. Damn, I am turning into a CRC clone. Cussing, and downloading IB, Delphi/Kylix, and other shit. What the fuck is happening to me? In the meantime I'll do what I can to prevent myself from taking my own life, and live so that you don't have to fly over here and give me that ass kicking that your promised me if I ever got that way again. *[link\|http://games.speakeasy.net/data/files/khan.jpg\|"Khan!!!" -Kirk]*
Post #52,670 by pwhysall 9/22/02 1:36:53 PM Reply	Re: Look here I am not a FUCKING NEWBIE Could've fooled me. I fucking ran Linux in 1995-1997 And? the copies of Linux I have from 1995-1997 run fucking fine with the bitch ass motherfucker older than dirt hardware that I have I've got Debian 3.0 doing sterling service on a Digital P75. Your point? Oh yeah, you don't have one. If you did, you'd tell us what problems you were having. Rant on. Chances are you will say to me "Fucking buy a new system, this one is too old to run Linux!" No, chances are I'll say "this thing's fucked for any purpose". Slackware 3.X installs just fine on my 200Mhz Pentium MMX Whitebox system, but it is old old old, and I'd much rather have the new stuff. OK, that's a fair expectation and desire. Yet the new stuff pukes on me, except for KNOPPIX Linux, which is just a bootable CDR with their brand of Linux on it. Er, you do know that Knoppix is just about as cutting-edge as you get, don't you? I call it X-Windows, like you call Microsoft's crapware Windoze. No, I don't. But then your a fucking IT God, you knew this shit and are just fucking with me right? I mean, come on Peter. That is where the hell you download bug fixes and updates from, right? It is a port of the X Window System which I and others joking call X-Windows to make it sound like MS-Windows. In fact, Enter X-Windows into Google and see what the fuck pops up and stop kidding around with me over the spelling of the fucking product! It's the first ten lines of the manual page. Get over yourself. Just because everyone else gets it wrong doesn't make it right. How about I call it "Peter's Fucking GUI for Unix systems that needs a major rewrite and has more kludged up windows managers than any other GUI I know and according to him should autmagically work and be called X Windows and not X-Windows. So we disagree over the hyphen in the name" Ah, the old "we need to rewrite X" routine. Everyone who says this is (a) wrong or (b) incapable of producing an alternative. Which are you? Error I got, as far as I can remember, was "Missing fixed width font" and "Missing screen" on the other install. Of course I reformatted the hard drive and installed NT 4.0 in fustration. So you didn't make a note of the error and Google for it? And then you gave up? Why did you even consider Linux? Tell you what, I'll install it on VirtualPC, see if the error message pops up, then take a screen shot and fucking email it to you. if the error does not come up, I'll just use Virtual PC instead of my old hardware. If I can get the network part to work (if you can, reconmend a good Linux Ethernet card, I'll buy it) and only the CLI comes up, if I can I'll get AT&T's VNC on it, set you up a password and have you remotely log into it and fix the fucker. Go for it. I'll take a look at your error messages. The 3Com 3c90x cards work well with Linux. But no, you can do the work yourself. That is if I can get a VNC server than doesn't need that fucking crapware that is called "X Windows" to work. If you are not up to it, my neighbor says that he can configure SuSE 8.0 to work with my old hardware; however, it could be my monitor and display adapter causing it to panic. Actually, VNC doesn't need X. But then, you'll only start bitching about how difficult VNC is to configure because you have to gasp edit some text files. Will you cope? Your monitor is unlikely to be preventing X from starting. My neighbor says that he might be able to fix it, as he's a Linux Guru of many years Then get him to do it. I've been fucking busy with that new job and trying to get a test environment to work at home until our NA can set up a VPN that works. I can connect to the VPN, log in with my password and user ID, but I cannot see any of the servers, cannot ping their IP, I am on the same subnet, and IP range as them, same gateway and DNS server settings, etc. I had a 192.168.0.1 IP range on my local network, but our NA said to change that to something else. So I did, many times, and none of them work. This is your corporate IT department's problem, not yours or ours. Damn, I am turning into a CRC clone. Cussing, and downloading IB, Delphi/Kylix, and other shit. What the fuck is happening to me? I rather hope you're starting to pay attention to the message I'm sending, namely "stop whining and start doing stuff, else shut up about it". In the meantime I'll do what I can to prevent myself from taking my own life, and live so that you don't have to fly over here and give me that ass kicking that your promised me if I ever got that way again. Don't threaten me. Peter [link\|http://www.debian.org\|Shill For Hire] [link\|http://www.kuro5hin.org\|There is no K5 Cabal] [link\|http://guildenstern.dyndns.org\|Blog]
Post #52,685 by ben_tilly 9/22/02 5:06:09 PM Reply	If you are not a newbie... then you are a damned slow learner. Peter is right. Stop whining. Learn. This stuff isn't really that difficult. But you won't have a hope until you get it straight that you learn how it works and work with that rather than expecting it to work like you expect it to. Ben "Career politicians are inherently untrustworthy; if it spends its life buzzing around the outhouse, it\ufffds probably a fly." - [link\|http://www.nationalinterest.org/issues/58/Mead.html\|Walter Mead]
Post #52,719 by orion 9/22/02 7:42:33 PM Reply	Thanks a lot as you may have guessed the trauma from the crap I took from my former employer has left me with half the brainpower that I once had. I am lucky if I can find my car keys and remember what passwords that I use. I am slowly rebuilding my brain while at the same time trying not to get stressed out ove rob issues, and family issues. Back in 1995-1997, before I got married, I used to have the free-time to research this stuff until 3 in the morning when I would pass out, sleep in a bed next to the computer, wake up, and then research some more. Now about every 15 minutes I get interrupted my family, friends, a phone call, something else, and I am lucky if I can figure out if I got a service pack or two installed. If I am lucky I can get a few hours in a day, with only 41 or less interuptions. Mind you I still need time to sleep, talk to my wife, do house chores, play games with my son, eat, and have a social life, things that I did not have time to do when I was single. So married life, while it does have its benefits, is wrecking havok on my computer skills and ability to research things. As you may have guessed when I don't have time to read something, I "skim" it over a few times and get out what I really need without reading the whole thing. Yes, I need to learn how to do that "Speed Reading" or "Photographic Memory" that you guys appear to have. Read the whole "Using Linux" book in 15 seconds, didja? Can quote page number and verse, right? Well I am not [link\|http://us.imdb.com/M/title-exact?Rain+Man+(1988)\|"Rainman"] and I cannot add up numbers in my head, remember phone books, and know what time "Wheel Of Fortune" comes on. Instead I have to use a calculator or computer to crunch numbers, find that phone book in my closet or where ever my wife left it last, and find that copy of TV Guide or just use the DirectTV pop-up Guide and do a search on "Wheel Of Fortune". Remember lawyers screwed me over royaly, and I didn't even know what direction I was facing when HR escourted me out the door. They played me such big mind games and kept bombording me with extra work, disinformation, etc that my brain overloaded. I thought I had recovered, but the warning signs are back again. I recently found myself parked in the Sam's parking lot when I was supposed to go to Aldi's, but Sam's sells Milk too, and I was there so might as well go in a buy some milk instead of driving over to the other part of the city, right? Oh the fact that I didn't remember driving to Sam's just keeps me up at night. I'm zoning out here somehow. Stuff like this bothers me, it is like someone took electrodes and shoved them up my nose into my brain and shocked the hell out of me. My doctor wanted me to go on disability, remember? Unable to do the job, got sick, got stressed out, wash rinse repeat cycle. Ah you get the idea. I am operating on half the sleep I should be getting, driving to the wrong location, and blood is now coming out of my eyes, I warned you guys but you would not listen. Thanks a whole hell of a lot for the help. Now I have to clean the blood off of my keyboard. *[link\|http://games.speakeasy.net/data/files/khan.jpg\|"Khan!!!" -Kirk]*
Post #52,730 by bepatient 9/22/02 8:21:56 PM Reply	Nobody's asking you to be Einstein. Just to be methodical in your approach. It will help with the stress...really it will...if you have a step by step approach to problem solving already there. The problems may always be different...but as long as you can back up...breath deep...and work your plan you will be fine (and less stressed). Recovery takes time...just make sure that you don't fall back into something that you've worked hard to get out of... The key is to relax...hard to do sometimes yes...but if you feel the stress building...STOP STOP STOP what you are doing...take a walk...warm bath...whatever it takes to settle you..because you will resolve your issue faster (even including the de-stressing time) if you approach it with the right mindset. You were born...and so you're free...so Happy Birthday! _{Laurie Anderson} [link\|mailto:bepatient@aol.com\|BePatient]
Post #52,737 by ben_tilly 9/22/02 8:57:32 PM Reply	Also cut the rants If you really are as stressed out as you say, then just label me an asshole that you don't have time to worry about and do something else. In the time it took to flame me you could have put on a relaxing piece of music, which would do you more more good than flaming me did. Please don't respond to this with a flame. Instead take the time that you would have spent typing that, and go to bed that much earlier instead. Do that likewise with Peter and everyone else here who ticks you off. After you are well and caught up on sleep, we can talk. Time enough to worry about this then. Cheers, Ben "Career politicians are inherently untrustworthy; if it spends its life buzzing around the outhouse, it\ufffds probably a fly." - [link\|http://www.nationalinterest.org/issues/58/Mead.html\|Walter Mead]
Post #52,765 by folkert 9/22/02 11:54:34 PM Reply	So... then... what about... ME flaming you... Can... I ... HUH??? Huh, Ben... can I can I Huh? Pleease-o-please... can-I-please... Ben...Ben...Ben... Can I flame you... HUH? HUH? HUH? Come_on... say yes.... please... aw man COME ON... It would ONLY be this TIME... I promise I promise to make it QUICK and PAINLESS... Pleease o-please o-please o-please o-please o-please o-please o-please o-please o-please o-please o-please o-please o-please o-please o-please o-please o-please o-please o-please o-please o-please o-please o-please o-please o-please o-please o-please o-please o-please o-please o-please o-please o-please o-please o-please o-please o-please o-please o-please o-please o-please o-please o-please o-please o-please o-please o-please o-please o-please o-please o-please o-please o-please o-please o-please o-please o-please o-please o-please o-please o-please o-please o-please o-please o-please o-please o-please o-please o-please o-please o-please o-please o-please o-please o-please o-please o-please o-please o-please o-please o-please o-please o-please o-please o-please o-please o-please o-please o-please o-please o-please o-please o-please o-please o-please o-please o-please o-please o-please o-please o-please o-please o-please o-please o-please o-please o-please o-please o-please o-please o-please o-please o-please o-please o-please o-please o-please o-please o-please o-please o-please o-please o-please o-please o-please o-please o-please o-please o-please o-please o-please o-please o-please o-please o-please o-please o-please o-please o-please o-please o-please o-please o-please o-please o-please o-please o-please o-please o-please o-please o-please o-please o-please o-please o-please o-please o-please o-please o-please o-please o-please o-please o-please o-please o-please o-please o-please o-please o-please o-please o-please o-please o-please o-please o-please o-please o-please o-please o-please o-please o-please o-please o-please o-please o-please o-please o-please o-please o-please o-please o-please o-please o-please o-please o-please o-please o-please o-please o-please o-please o-please o-please o-please o-please o-please o-please o-please o-please o-please o-please o-please o-please o-please o-please o-please o-please o-please o-please o-please o-please o-please o-please o-please o-please o-please o-please o-please o-please o-please o-please o-please o-please o-please o-please o-please o-please o-please o-please o-please o-please o-please o-please o-please o-please o-please o-please o-please o-please o-please o-please o-please o-please o-please o-please o-please o-please o-please o-please o-please o-please o-please o-please o-please o-please o-please o-please o-please o-please o-please o-please o-please o-please o-please o-please o-please o-please o-please o-please o-please o-please o-please o-please o-please o-please o-please o-please o-please o-please o-please o-please o-please o-please o-please o-please o-please! feeeeh! Knew you'd say that... geez.. I never get to have any fun around here... I'm telling Dad! `greg - Grand-Master Artist in IT, curley95@attbi.com -- [link\|http://www.iwethey.org/ed_curry/\|REMEMBER ED CURRY!!!] Your friendly Homeland Security Officer reminds: Hold Thumbprint to Screen for 5 seconds, we'll take the imprint, or Just continue to type on your keyboard, and we'll just sample your DNA.`
Post #52,785 by Steve Lowe 9/23/02 2:17:24 AM Reply	/me cuts off Greg's caffeine supply. Sheesh! ;-) ----- Steve
Post #52,921 by folkert 9/23/02 8:32:39 PM Reply	Re: /me cuts off Greg's caffeine supply. Sheesh! ;-) Oh... come on now... I only drink 8 20oz Diet Mountain Dews and 2 - 64oz Double Gulp Diet Cokes a day... I don't drink coffee anymore... I find it makes me jittery... Oh, I've only be needing about 2 hours of sleep a day... lately... I guess I am gonna need to take some strong sleeping pills... it's been pretty hard to goto sleep lately... I wonder why? No... I usually only drink a max of 60oz of diet soda a day... more than that, I feel like I look... bloated! I drink Milk and water after that... and I get to at least get up every few minutes too... ;) `greg - Grand-Master Artist in IT, curley95@attbi.com -- [link\|http://www.iwethey.org/ed_curry/\|REMEMBER ED CURRY!!!] Your friendly Homeland Security Officer reminds: Hold Thumbprint to Screen for 5 seconds, we'll take the imprint, or Just continue to type on your keyboard, and we'll just sample your DNA.`
Post #52,796 by ben_tilly 9/23/02 7:34:46 AM Reply	Well...what is your stress level? "Career politicians are inherently untrustworthy; if it spends its life buzzing around the outhouse, it\ufffds probably a fly." - [link\|http://www.nationalinterest.org/issues/58/Mead.html\|Walter Mead]
Post #52,922 by folkert 9/23/02 8:33:41 PM Reply	NADA... anymore... ;) `greg - Grand-Master Artist in IT, curley95@attbi.com -- [link\|http://www.iwethey.org/ed_curry/\|REMEMBER ED CURRY!!!] Your friendly Homeland Security Officer reminds: Hold Thumbprint to Screen for 5 seconds, we'll take the imprint, or Just continue to type on your keyboard, and we'll just sample your DNA.`
Post #52,786 by CRConrad 9/23/02 2:44:45 AM Reply	It's called growing up. Orion Blast-ars off: Damn, I am turning into a CRC clone. Cussing, and downloading IB, Delphi/Kylix, and other shit. What the fuck is happening to me? Don't worry, everything will be fine. Once the Assimilation is complete, you'll be over this juvenile need for "sleep". Then you can spend some of the time you save by not sleeping, revelling in your newfound ability to speak without cy euphmisms. Cngratulations! Christian R. Conrad* Microsoft is a true reflection of Bill Gates' personality - the sleaziest, most unethical, ugliest little rat's ass the world has seen unto this time. -- [link\|http://z.iwethey.org/forums/render/content/show?contentid=42971\|Andrew Grygus]
Post #53,287 by orion 9/25/02 8:29:39 PM Reply	But I can't grow up at least not until my son grows up. Because I haven't grown up yet, I am one of his best friends, my wife says it is like having two 3 year olds around the house. :) We both watch cartoons, eat food, and play with toys in the front room until she gets off of work. Mine happened to be a laptop or remote control for the TV, his was Hotwheels, and blocks, and other stuff. Soon I'l be writing code in Delphi and Kylix and then converting from Access and SQL Server into Interbase. :) *[link\|http://games.speakeasy.net/data/files/khan.jpg\|"Khan!!!" -Kirk]*
Post #53,511 by deSitter 9/27/02 11:17:32 AM Reply	Guy, Interrupted See the movie. It's instructive in an odd way. -drl
Post #53,876 by orion 9/29/02 10:42:51 PM Reply	Thanks a lot but I rather prefer "Awakenings" or "Crazy People". :) *[link\|http://games.speakeasy.net/data/files/khan.jpg\|"Khan!!!" -Kirk]*

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