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New Further blogwhoring: what next?
Where do we go from here, assuming that there’s anywhere to go? Just asking.

cordially,
Expand Edited by rcareaga Oct. 10, 2019, 10:17:25 PM EDT
New Only one nit.
We have to acknowledge the structural weaknesses in our ancient Constitutional system that have permitted a mad king to assume and abuse the office referred to by the Founders as “Chief Magistrate,” because while Trump is erratic and barely sane, there are surely other, colder, more rational, more calculating authoritarians-in-embryo watching his regime, mapping the rot running through the norms, institutions, barriers, recording what works and what does not.


I do not think this mess is due to "structural weaknesses in our ancient Constitutional system" but in democracy itself. It is not mere coincidence that the fascist sympathizing members of the Republican Party (who, btw, constitute the majority of that party and always have done) have a long history of gutting education and Saint Ronald the Reagan himself appointed a Secretary of Education who can fairly be described as someone who didn't believe the department should exist. Leading up to today where our current Secretary of Education may be facing a court's contempt for continuing to victimize the victims of America's for-profit university diploma scams.

This was and is all by design. Socrates instructed that allowing the uneducated to vote in a democracy would insure the rise of a demagogue. Republicans have long understood that and in their effort to convert the government of the United States into a fascist dictatorship they have laid the groundwork by insuring that the majority of Americans are an uneducated, xenophobic lot. They've won or as an old U.S. History professor I had used to say, "The problem with American politics is not that too few people vote but that too many are allowed to vote."

What's next? More of the same because We, the People will be the same.
bcnu,
Mikem

It's mourning in America again.
New Who is to say, though?
They've won or as an old U.S. History professor I had used to say, "The problem with American politics is not that too few people vote but that too many are allowed to vote."
In a certain sense, I agree. If national, state and local elections could only be decided by the sorts of people to whom I might grant enfranchisement, we’d live in a fucking paradise. At least, I’d live in a fucking paradise, because it would be a very narrow electorate indeed that would vote on the referendum “Rand is awarded a trillion dollars and also named Padishah Emperor of America for life.” OK, I’m too humble and too lazy for that last, but my restricted franchise, which would contrive to exclude most of Trump’s moth-breathers, would likely produce better legislative results.

Problem is, if we allow on principle that Rand gets to determine preterite and elect at the polling place, who is to say that it will be Rand (yay!) and not, say, Stephen Miller (boo!) who gets to make that call?

It’s a puzzlement.

cordially,
New I don't fail to see the dilemma here.
But I do not believe it is impossible to develop an objective standard test that confirms that a member of society is sufficiently informed to be entrusted with a vote. I recognize that such a system would not be a purely democratic system but I am happy to debate the relative merits of "more democracy" with anyone.

Recently I was again in my cups at the local pub and a RW zealot with whom I am familiar sat down beside me. Despite having an MSEE, he is a strong Trump supporter. So, mere education is not a solution. A lot of what he believes about the world is simply wrong and in my estimation has a great deal to do with the fact that he has never been abroad, nor traveled much outside of his home state. I've always found it stunning that so many Americans who have spent their entire lives within the four or five counties surrounding the county of their birth have established immutable opinions on the rest of the world. Whatever voting right test was designed in my Utopian Socialist Democratic States of America of the future, it would surely be a requirement that the candidate voter possessed a passport which had been stamped by no less than two different nations outside the Western Hemisphere in the previous two years.

For all of my adult life it has always grated upon my soul to hear someone say, "Well, everyone is entitled to their own opinion." I, unfailingly, become unhinged when hearing that and demand, "No! Everyone is entitled to their own well reasoned opinion and some are better reasoned than others." I'll no doubt repeat myself here, but the fundamental problem in the US is that most of its inhabitants cannot follow a modus ponens argument.
bcnu,
Mikem

It's mourning in America again.
New Your passport test is a non-starter
There are places in the US where by the time you leave the state you could have crossed 3 national borders in other parts of the world.
--

Drew
New Only 3?
Think "Northern Europe" and then "Texas"
New Wanted a number that was definitely true without having to do research
--

Drew
New Rear elephant.
It's not distance travelled that matters, it is difference in culture that matters.
bcnu,
Mikem

It's mourning in America again.
New Right, and from the middle of nowhere that's a flight away
--

Drew
New So? I am two weeks from anywhere and still manage to have my passport stamped every couple of years.
bcnu,
Mikem

It's mourning in America again.
New Yeah. This.
I still remember the surprised reaction from one friend many many years ago when my first overseas trip was to Japan. It boiled down to "But it's so different*!" "That was kinda the point".

Visiting the US doesn't have quite the same effect. There is so much that *is* the same or only a little different than back home.

Wade.

* yeah, I know; different-ish.
New Yeah, and . . .
. . linguists say the two varieties of English that are closest to each other are American English and Australian English.

I explain this as resulting from both countries being founded by the same criminal element - just the Americans got out before the police came and the Australians after the police came.
New Damn! That's good ..best new simile in yearz.
New So you're saying the original Aussie settlers were on average a little dumber than the Yank ones...?
New I think it's more "implying"
--

Drew
New free travel provided for aussies
"Science is the belief in the ignorance of the experts" – Richard Feynman
New Circumstances vary . . .
. . so that would have to be judged on a case by case basis.
New I think the republican party is overdue for an implosion
the original dixiecrats are dying out and trump their titular head was a republican by convenience. The next election regardless of impeachment should be the catalyst for that to happen. What crawls out of that drumpfster fire is unknown.

When the democrats win they should remember who the working and poor people are, not the Corpocrats who have run things since the Clinton era. That way they may get the country in better shape than it is now.

What ever happens the 24hr gotcha news cycle will be doing its best to keep the partisan fires burning. Add in social media and I dont have much hope for the future.
"Science is the belief in the ignorance of the experts" – Richard Feynman
New Dupe
sorry about that
Expand Edited by dmcarls Oct. 11, 2019, 03:25:39 PM EDT
New Re: I think the republican party is overdue for an implosion
>> dont have much hope for the future.

Song for the times:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Future%27s_So_Bright,_I_Gotta_Wear_Shades
New ..and for an encore,
Ya Don't Always Get Whatcha Wanted
aka Perfidy Rulez (in the land of the One-eyed, where only a few possess both?)

IT version(?)
Just because the OS passed 'POST' doesn't mean ... it ain't got no Bugs. :-þ
New 'Interregnum' ... ... writ Large, indeed.
Nothing much to chime-in with; you've covered my Dance Card w/PS's too. Language Murther remains The Staple of 'Murica 2019, perhapss since [My magick [-] transformative-Year of 1969, though depending on focus: clearly All During my tentative-existence within the luxury of imagined-sentience within this er, 'Daily Maya' stage upon which we prance for a time thence odds-on meet that oblivion/of which we only confirm: by ... (see images of Black Holes) or Black-psyches as abound.

I am --surprised as that Xian-Hell-thing, too!--to see that even the direst consequences of the past Three-only?/"hundred-years-in-a-trice" do not leave me in that now rampant eddy of depresssion as I can still imagineer that--prior to the oblivion thing--just maybe we do get a slim-Chance? of finally grasping Reality--that which no one has ever come-back-from to tell us: Th-th-that's-ALL! Folks underneath the wonderful Looneie Tunes musical accompaniment ... to play us out.

(Only moi shall 'know' such a scenario/guaranteed un-Transmittible)--even amidst the Mutual Admiration Society comprising certain cats + a few Adults in the same predicament--so I guess I'm good to --> go, unless bitten by a rabid-'Murican enroute. (Beats Consternation or crystal-meth, I think).

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     Further blogwhoring: what next? - (rcareaga) - (21)
         Only one nit. - (mmoffitt) - (15)
             Who is to say, though? - (rcareaga) - (14)
                 I don't fail to see the dilemma here. - (mmoffitt) - (13)
                     Your passport test is a non-starter - (drook) - (12)
                         Only 3? - (pwhysall) - (1)
                             Wanted a number that was definitely true without having to do research -NT - (drook)
                         Rear elephant. - (mmoffitt) - (9)
                             Right, and from the middle of nowhere that's a flight away -NT - (drook) - (1)
                                 So? I am two weeks from anywhere and still manage to have my passport stamped every couple of years. -NT - (mmoffitt)
                             Yeah. This. - (static) - (6)
                                 Yeah, and . . . - (Andrew Grygus) - (5)
                                     Damn! That's good ..best new simile in yearz. -NT - (Ashton)
                                     So you're saying the original Aussie settlers were on average a little dumber than the Yank ones...? -NT - (CRConrad) - (3)
                                         I think it's more "implying" -NT - (drook)
                                         free travel provided for aussies -NT - (boxley)
                                         Circumstances vary . . . - (Andrew Grygus)
         I think the republican party is overdue for an implosion - (boxley) - (3)
             Dupe - (dmcarls)
             Re: I think the republican party is overdue for an implosion - (dmcarls) - (1)
                 ..and for an encore, - (Ashton)
         'Interregnum' ... ... writ Large, indeed. - (Ashton)

I would not worry too much, but just in case I'd monitor my socks and coat hangers for mysterious acts of spontaneous annihilation and replication.
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