Post #430,806
9/17/19 8:47:51 PM
9/17/19 8:47:51 PM
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Anyone got good links on high blood pressure?
My office has one of those automated blood pressure cuffs, and I decided to check mine today. Came up 141/89: "stage 2 hypertension".
My first problem with this diagnosis is that the AHA just recently changed their guidelines so that now 75% of all adults are classed as having hypertension.
Second is that this is the same group pushing statins for high cholesterol despite mountains of evidence that it's not just unnecessary but statins in particular are actively harmful.
I plan to get blood work done to see if I have a real problem, but in the meantime does anyone have good links to research whether I should be concerned and what to do about it?
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Post #430,808
9/17/19 9:20:01 PM
9/17/19 9:20:01 PM
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blood work wont tell you a dam thing about high blood pressure
"Science is the belief in the ignorance of the experts" – Richard Feynman
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Post #430,811
9/17/19 11:00:58 PM
9/17/19 11:00:58 PM
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Thanks, going to keep looking
Treatment Changing your lifestyle can go a long way toward controlling high blood pressure. Your doctor may recommend you make lifestyle changes including:
* Eating a heart-healthy diet with less salt * Getting regular physical activity * Maintaining a healthy weight or losing weight if you're overweight or obese * Limiting the amount of alcohol you drink
I already eat better than most Americans. I bike a lot, regularly. I'd like to lose a little, but I'm not significantly overweight. I drink very rarely.
That leaves drugs. Not interested.
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Post #430,815
9/18/19 10:36:21 AM
9/18/19 10:36:21 AM
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Tangent
One of the drugs I'm entertaining for my migraines is Propranolol, which is also a blood pressure medication.
Regards, -scott Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson.
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Post #430,818
9/18/19 11:57:20 AM
9/18/19 11:57:20 AM
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also lose the energy drinks and caffeine
also lose a lot of the over the counter meds that are vaso tighteners (items that constrict blood vessels) a lot of them are. once on the drugs rarely off so better to control without I use a internal medicine for my primary care Dr
"Science is the belief in the ignorance of the experts" – Richard Feynman
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Post #430,829
9/18/19 1:30:35 PM
9/18/19 1:30:35 PM
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I quit caffeine cold turkey when I had a kidney stone
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Post #430,820
9/18/19 11:59:35 AM
9/18/19 11:59:35 AM
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forgot, niacin can assist in lowering blood pressure and you need that anyway
"Science is the belief in the ignorance of the experts" – Richard Feynman
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Post #430,831
9/18/19 1:31:53 PM
9/18/19 1:31:53 PM
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Will look into it, but like you I prefer to not get on something that'll be forever
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Post #430,834
9/18/19 3:40:43 PM
9/18/19 3:40:43 PM
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niacine is needed anyway for your brain to keep current
the recommended amounts for blood pressure is ridiculous what I take is a couple of Super B vitamins.
"Science is the belief in the ignorance of the experts" – Richard Feynman
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Post #430,844
9/19/19 9:42:15 AM
9/19/19 9:42:15 AM
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Yup, forever
I am on ever increasing dosage of metoprolol. This both reduces blood pressure and heart rate. If I stop, I go into tachycardia and possibly die.
Remember Beep bash when I lost 1/2 a Scott in 6 months, ie: 1/3 of my body weight? And what was left was pure muscle? Damn I loved that body (gone now).
My BP was 190/100 in those days. Exercise and diet and clean living did not change it in the slightest bit. I went on the meds.
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Post #430,845
9/19/19 10:15:41 AM
9/19/19 10:15:41 AM
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Or not
One of the ways to reduce stress and anxiety for migraines is to exercise. But I can't exercise because they set off my migraines. It's vicious circle and I need to break it somehow. Once I get the migraines under control and can start exercising again I may be able to taper off the meds.
Regards, -scott Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson.
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Post #430,855
9/19/19 3:07:42 PM
9/19/19 3:07:42 PM
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You try imitrex?
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Post #430,859
9/19/19 4:22:04 PM
9/19/19 4:24:05 PM
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Haven't tried anything yet.
She gave me 3 options to research: nortriptyline (antidepressant), topiramate (antiseizure), and propranolol (blood pressure)
Imitrex is for treatment after you know it's coming on. I get them 1-2 times a day and am more suited for a prophylactic than an acute treatment.
Regards, -scott Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson.
Edited by malraux
Sept. 19, 2019, 04:23:47 PM EDT
Edited by malraux
Sept. 19, 2019, 04:24:05 PM EDT
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Post #430,866
9/19/19 8:51:13 PM
9/19/19 8:51:13 PM
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Understood
In the old days I'd get a possible aura and pop an ergotamine. Which only worked if caught REALLY early.
Then imitrex injectable came out. Side effects were a roaring fire in your chest for 30 seconds, and migraine got erased. No matter how deep I was into it.
Nowadays they have the tablet, works in about 20 minutes, no side effect.
I suggest you get a script for it to keep handy, for the moment the prophylactic fails.
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Post #430,868
9/20/19 1:21:20 PM
9/20/19 1:21:20 PM
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Once I see how this does, for sure.
She thinks there's a pretty good chance they just won't happen any more. And the ones I get are typically pretty low-grade: no real headache, minor aura. The problem is that 1-2 a day means I'm in constant postdrome and always exhausted and fuzzy.
Regards, -scott Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson.
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Post #430,847
9/19/19 12:28:17 PM
9/19/19 12:28:17 PM
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Hawthorn extract is supposed to be effective.
The jars have a warning not to take hawthorn if using blood pressure reducing drugs.
I ordered in a couple of jars but never opened them. Nurse Annie, my dermatologist, had me go through two cycles of internal steroid treatment. (talk about pain!) and my blood pressure measured up to 162/82, but it steadily declined after the treatments, so I never tried them.
Last night I measured 127/62, and this morning it was 127/66. If my right hand starts to tingle, I know it's down around 108, but that rarely happens. On the other hand, I'm only 76. Maybe it will get higher as I get older.
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Post #430,850
9/19/19 2:32:56 PM
9/19/19 2:32:56 PM
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Mine's around 140/85 ... Not OMG GET TO A HOSPITAL but I won't tell my nurse mother-in-law
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Post #430,852
9/19/19 2:41:39 PM
9/19/19 2:41:39 PM
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my general understanding is the bottom number is very important
for a while mine was 120/101, not a good thing
"Science is the belief in the ignorance of the experts" – Richard Feynman
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Post #430,867
9/19/19 9:16:54 PM
9/19/19 9:16:54 PM
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just picked some up, will experiment over the weekend
"Science is the belief in the ignorance of the experts" – Richard Feynman
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Post #432,067
12/25/19 9:34:49 PM
12/25/19 9:34:49 PM
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Too much niacin is bad.
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Post #431,102
10/7/19 10:14:33 AM
10/7/19 10:14:33 AM
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One more "natural remedy" you could look into...
...would be to make sure you get enough sleep, if you're not 200% certain you do already. Lack of sleep is a real fucker, from what one hears recently it seems to screw up just about every damn aspect there is to your health.
--
Christian R. Conrad The Man Who (used to think he) Knows Fucking EverythingMail: Same username as at the top left of this post, at iki.fi
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Post #431,107
10/7/19 1:49:56 PM
10/7/19 1:49:56 PM
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I haven't gotten enough sleep since I've had children
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Post #431,109
10/7/19 4:43:40 PM
10/7/19 4:43:40 PM
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¡Great Hastur!! you've broken the Codex..
1) make babies. 2) perpetual sleep-deprivation 3) acquire uncountable {unfathomable} symptoms 4) 'sinusoidal depleneration' [damped-sine-wave] -----> 5) species collapse ensues--and nobody decodes Why!? 6) there is no 6)
I need to go pet a cat..
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Post #432,066
12/25/19 9:31:33 PM
12/25/19 9:31:33 PM
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Any followups on this?
High blood pressure is a big deal. Don't mess around if you have it.
1) Is the tester accurate?
2) Did you rest a few minutes before taking the test? Or did you do it after running up 8 flights of stairs? ;-)
High (or low) blood pressure is a big deal. Get it checked correctly, and if you have it, work on getting it treated. If you can't get it done via lifestyle changes, then medication can help a great deal but it can be hard to find the right drug.
(My mom had hypertension and had trouble for years keeping it under control. Part of it was her not giving up smoking. Part of it was difficulty in finding a drug that was compatible with her physiology. Part of it was her having the money to pay the cost. She ended up having a severe stroke that took her down, over several years...)
Let us know how it goes.
Cheers, Scott.
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Post #432,069
12/25/19 11:23:08 PM
12/25/19 11:23:08 PM
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Haven't seen anyone yet
I've been checking it once or twice a day when at work. I'm generally ~135/85, not enough to be scary. I'll be sure to get it checked when I eventually see a doc.
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Post #432,070
12/26/19 10:08:35 AM
12/26/19 10:08:35 AM
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None of us are getting any younger.
:-)
Do see a doc.
Good luck!
Cheers, Scott.
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