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Post #415,420
by drook
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11/11/16 12:24:12 PM
11/11/16 12:24:12 PM
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New The KKK were supporting Trump. Should she not call them deplorable?
Other white nationalists were supporting Trump. Should she not call them deplorable?

Her point was these are the kinds of people supporting Trump. Do you really want to be on the same side as them? Sure, she didn't say it well. But the right-wing talking heads who picked up on it knew damn well who she was talking about and what she meant. But blowing it up was more entertaining, so that's what they did.

Either it worked on you - remember, you're the one who said "she called the working class deplorable" - or you think that she's responsible for giving a sound bite that's so easy to misconstrue.
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Drew
Post #415,423
by mmoffitt
11/11/16 2:10:55 PM
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New Re: The KKK were supporting Trump. Should she not call them deplorable?
Short answer: NO, of course she shouldn't have said it. By saying it she demonstrated clearly that she doesn't understand the majority non-racists in Fly Over country. Of course a good number of them internalized it because they're accustomed to being spoken of in such terms by what they consider elites (I'd be one of those, BTW, due to my having earned a Master's degree). A lot of those folks, displaced Union workers, have cause to feel that "deplorable" is the way their government must feel about them. Obama essentially said the same thing when he talked about people "clinging to their guns and bibles." The Liberal Elite have a long history of characterizing everyone in the MidWest in the worst terms imaginable - most importantly the working class of the Rust Belt who have had their futures stolen from them by the New Democrat's new buddies.

The point is, without regard to how you, I or anyone else feels about those people, they have enough power at the voting booth to stop virtually anyone. You alienate them at your own (and arguably your nation's) peril. If that almost self-evident lesson isn't learned even after the disaster of this year's Presidential election, there's very little reason (read: none) to hope things will improve.
bcnu,
Mikem

I think religion should be treated with ridicule, hatred and contempt. And I claim that right.
Christopher Hitchens.
Post #415,436
by boxley
11/11/16 7:18:53 PM
11/11/16 7:18:53 PM
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New Re: The KKK were split on their support. many supported clinton
always look out for number one and don't step in number two
Post #415,440
by drook
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11/11/16 9:39:05 PM
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New Yes, exactly that
"Based on his past statements, it doesn’t appear highly credible that he has changed his effusive allegiance to Donald Trump,” Brian Levin, a former New York police officer who is director of the Centre for the Study of Hate and Extremism at California State University in San Bernardino, told the Telegraph. “The timing seems suspect. I think this is a function of not wanting to undermine the Trump campaign.”
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Drew
     daughter goes to cast her first ever vote - (boxley) - (52) - Nov. 8, 2016, 03:51:34 PM EST
         :-( Glad she voted. It's important. -NT - (Another Scott) - (50) - Nov. 8, 2016, 03:53:35 PM EST
             I have always taught my kids that voting is a right and a duty -NT - (boxley) - (49) - Nov. 8, 2016, 03:56:17 PM EST
                 Absolutely! I've voted in *every* Federal election since 1962. -NT - (a6l6e6x) - Nov. 8, 2016, 04:00:23 PM EST
                 Me 2. They both voted. - (mmoffitt) - (1) - Nov. 8, 2016, 04:13:51 PM EST
                     lie to em -NT - (boxley) - Nov. 8, 2016, 05:39:35 PM EST
                 Good. Indeed it is. :-) - (Another Scott) - (45) - Nov. 8, 2016, 05:01:56 PM EST
                     I wouldn't take any bets on that this morning. -NT - (mmoffitt) - (44) - Nov. 9, 2016, 08:19:23 AM EST
                         Yeah... - (Another Scott) - (43) - Nov. 9, 2016, 08:27:20 AM EST
                             We'll see if the Reichstag (er, Capitol) has a mysterious fire in February. :) -NT - (a6l6e6x) - Nov. 9, 2016, 09:54:47 AM EST
                             A lot of times, I wish I wasn't right about something. This is one of those times. -NT - (mmoffitt) - Nov. 9, 2016, 10:27:26 AM EST
                             no you dont have wishful thinking at all - (boxley) - (40) - Nov. 9, 2016, 10:39:42 AM EST
                                 You know that's not going to happen. - (Andrew Grygus) - (3) - Nov. 9, 2016, 11:44:43 AM EST
                                     They need a good dose of cynicism - (drook) - (2) - Nov. 9, 2016, 12:22:37 PM EST
                                         Re: Say whatever it takes to win - (a6l6e6x) - (1) - Nov. 9, 2016, 03:29:57 PM EST
                                             You don't have to overwhelm the BS detector - (drook) - Nov. 9, 2016, 06:23:49 PM EST
                                 Ok - Let's say the DNC is gone. What replaces it? - (Another Scott) - (35) - Nov. 9, 2016, 08:10:49 PM EST
                                     Eviscerate the DNC. Disqualify all the current careerists . . . - (Andrew Grygus) - (1) - Nov. 9, 2016, 08:56:24 PM EST
                                         this one ^ -NT - (boxley) - Nov. 10, 2016, 10:55:29 AM EST
                                     The DLC wasn't horrible? That's your White privilege speaking. - (mmoffitt) - (30) - Nov. 10, 2016, 08:44:37 AM EST
                                         Bill won. - (Another Scott) - (29) - Nov. 10, 2016, 04:39:54 PM EST
                                             Why did Jerry lose? Ron Brown had *a lot* to do with that. - (mmoffitt) - (28) - Nov. 11, 2016, 08:22:56 AM EST
                                                 I see we still can't agree on the basic facts, let alone the interpretation. - (Another Scott) - (27) - Nov. 11, 2016, 09:20:53 AM EST
                                                     ^^ that -NT - (pwhysall) - Nov. 11, 2016, 09:26:10 AM EST
                                                     Why do you continue to refuse to recognize the obvious? - (mmoffitt) - (25) - Nov. 11, 2016, 09:47:42 AM EST
                                                         Sore Loserman says he was Right. Film at 11. - (Another Scott) - (18) - Nov. 11, 2016, 10:53:45 AM EST
                                                             That's disappointing. - (mmoffitt) - Nov. 11, 2016, 11:08:38 AM EST
                                                             OTOH, with the tremendous drag at the top of the ticket, ... - (mmoffitt) - (16) - Nov. 11, 2016, 11:38:46 AM EST
                                                                 Yeah, they supported ~ 6 House Democrats who won. Feel the Power of the Bern. :-/ -NT - (Another Scott) - (15) - Nov. 11, 2016, 11:45:09 AM EST
                                                                     When you're rebuilding a political party, you've got to start somewhere, Sport. ;0) -NT - (mmoffitt) - (14) - Nov. 11, 2016, 12:17:34 PM EST
                                                                         Re: When you're rebuilding a political party, you've got to start somewhere, Sport. ;0) - (Another Scott) - (13) - Nov. 11, 2016, 12:27:51 PM EST
                                                                             Um, you do know he campaigned for Her in 12 states, right? -NT - (mmoffitt) - (12) - Nov. 11, 2016, 01:15:14 PM EST
                                                                                 So what. That's *everything*? - (Another Scott) - (11) - Nov. 11, 2016, 03:15:20 PM EST
                                                                                     What the heck could he have done that he didn't? - (mmoffitt) - (5) - Nov. 11, 2016, 03:24:02 PM EST
                                                                                         He didn't do *everything*. He damaged her and the party. He should have done more. -NT - (Another Scott) - (4) - Nov. 11, 2016, 03:47:04 PM EST
                                                                                             That's "Everything Possible". - (mmoffitt) - (3) - Nov. 11, 2016, 04:08:51 PM EST
                                                                                                 The sitting President campaigned for her more than Bernie did. - (Another Scott) - (2) - Nov. 11, 2016, 05:15:20 PM EST
                                                                                                     trump rallying for clinton 82,400,000, did you have a point in there? -NT - (boxley) - (1) - Nov. 11, 2016, 07:16:51 PM EST
                                                                                                         You have to put it in quotes if you want it to work. ;-) - (Another Scott) - Nov. 11, 2016, 10:08:41 PM EST
                                                                                     well she is, he didnt want to be lying to the people -NT - (boxley) - (4) - Nov. 11, 2016, 07:14:32 PM EST
                                                                                         Then why did he say he'd campaign and wok to elect her? Can't have it both ways. -NT - (Another Scott) - (3) - Nov. 11, 2016, 10:06:42 PM EST
                                                                                             Well, maybe, MAYBE she shouldn't have insulted his supporters. - (mmoffitt) - (2) - Nov. 15, 2016, 06:01:51 PM EST
                                                                                                 I think Lincoln Chafee would have done worse. ;-p -NT - (Another Scott) - (1) - Nov. 15, 2016, 06:23:57 PM EST
                                                                                                     nope because I would have voted for him -NT - (boxley) - Nov. 15, 2016, 08:11:13 PM EST
                                                         She didn't call the working class deplorables. Why do you believe that? -NT - (drook) - (5) - Nov. 11, 2016, 11:55:19 AM EST
                                                             You're going to defend what she said? *BOGGLE* - (mmoffitt) - (4) - Nov. 11, 2016, 12:15:31 PM EST
                                                                 The KKK were supporting Trump. Should she not call them deplorable? - (drook) - (3) - Nov. 11, 2016, 12:24:12 PM EST
                                                                     Re: The KKK were supporting Trump. Should she not call them deplorable? - (mmoffitt) - Nov. 11, 2016, 02:10:55 PM EST
                                                                     Re: The KKK were split on their support. many supported clinton - (boxley) - (1) - Nov. 11, 2016, 07:18:53 PM EST
                                                                         Yes, exactly that - (drook) - Nov. 11, 2016, 09:39:05 PM EST
                                     Jonathan Tasini's thoughts. - (mmoffitt) - (1) - Nov. 10, 2016, 10:13:30 AM EST
                                         Seems a pretty objective wish-list of basic fixes.. - (Ashton) - Nov. 15, 2016, 07:19:21 AM EST
         People are assholes - (malraux) - Nov. 8, 2016, 04:52:14 PM EST

It is, however, a surprise that he's not been beaten to death with his own stapler.
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