And say it at a rate that overwhelms what any BS detector can handle.
Re: Say whatever it takes to win
And say it at a rate that overwhelms what any BS detector can handle. Alex "There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there has always been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that "my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge." -- Isaac Asimov |
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You don't have to overwhelm the BS detector
It's the BS refuter you have to overwhelm. We knew Trump was full of shit. But he can tell so many lies in 5 minutes it takes hours to refute it all. Every speech of his is a Gish Gallop. See here for an explanation: That Trump casually lies at the podium almost as often as he breathes is a well-documented claim leveled at him by traditional and new media alike. But actually unpacking all those lies in one cable news segment, in the confines of a debate, or in a single online post is a Herculean task. Take a look at this Huffington Post piece, which does a fabulous job of listing a few of the whoppers in Trump’s convention speech and summarizing the corrections—just as an example:Trump said after Clinton’s four years as secretary of state, “Iran is on the path to nuclear weapons.” But Iran was already on a path to acquiring nuclear weapons. At issue is whether the nuclear deal will prevent Iran, as intended, from becoming a nuclear power.What follows in the article is several meaty grafs on Iran’s actual history in pursuing nukes, spanning several White House administrations. This led to the Iranian nuclear agreement last year, and why it’s arguably in the world’s interests. But to hear Trump tell it, it all happened under Obama/Clinton through sheer negligence, and we even paid Iran billions of dollars in bribe money to sign the deal! The nod-nod wink-wink conspiratorial implication is that Clinton and Obama are in cahoots with Iran. HuffPo did a fine job reviewing all that in a concise manner, but it would be difficult to squeeze it all into a debate or a soundbite, even for someone who is well prepared. Throw in a dozen more similar convoluted whoppers, and the constraints of cable news or a debate format would make correcting even a fraction of them impossible. -- Drew |
daughter goes to cast her first ever vote
- (boxley)
- (52)
- Nov. 8, 2016, 03:51:34 PM EST
:-( Glad she voted. It's important.
-NT
- (Another Scott)
- (50)
- Nov. 8, 2016, 03:53:35 PM EST
I have always taught my kids that voting is a right and a duty
-NT
- (boxley)
- (49)
- Nov. 8, 2016, 03:56:17 PM EST
Absolutely! I've voted in *every* Federal election since 1962.
-NT
- (a6l6e6x)
- Nov. 8, 2016, 04:00:23 PM EST
Me 2. They both voted.
- (mmoffitt)
- (1)
- Nov. 8, 2016, 04:13:51 PM EST
lie to em
-NT
- (boxley)
- Nov. 8, 2016, 05:39:35 PM EST
Good. Indeed it is. :-)
- (Another Scott)
- (45)
- Nov. 8, 2016, 05:01:56 PM EST
I wouldn't take any bets on that this morning.
-NT
- (mmoffitt)
- (44)
- Nov. 9, 2016, 08:19:23 AM EST
Yeah...
- (Another Scott)
- (43)
- Nov. 9, 2016, 08:27:20 AM EST
We'll see if the Reichstag (er, Capitol) has a mysterious fire in February. :)
-NT
- (a6l6e6x)
- Nov. 9, 2016, 09:54:47 AM EST
A lot of times, I wish I wasn't right about something. This is one of those times.
-NT
- (mmoffitt)
- Nov. 9, 2016, 10:27:26 AM EST
no you dont have wishful thinking at all
- (boxley)
- (40)
- Nov. 9, 2016, 10:39:42 AM EST
You know that's not going to happen.
- (Andrew Grygus)
- (3)
- Nov. 9, 2016, 11:44:43 AM EST
They need a good dose of cynicism
- (drook)
- (2)
- Nov. 9, 2016, 12:22:37 PM EST
Re: Say whatever it takes to win
- (a6l6e6x)
- (1)
- Nov. 9, 2016, 03:29:57 PM EST
You don't have to overwhelm the BS detector
- (drook)
- Nov. 9, 2016, 06:23:49 PM EST
Ok - Let's say the DNC is gone. What replaces it?
- (Another Scott)
- (35)
- Nov. 9, 2016, 08:10:49 PM EST
Eviscerate the DNC. Disqualify all the current careerists . . .
- (Andrew Grygus)
- (1)
- Nov. 9, 2016, 08:56:24 PM EST
this one ^
-NT
- (boxley)
- Nov. 10, 2016, 10:55:29 AM EST
The DLC wasn't horrible? That's your White privilege speaking.
- (mmoffitt)
- (30)
- Nov. 10, 2016, 08:44:37 AM EST
Bill won.
- (Another Scott)
- (29)
- Nov. 10, 2016, 04:39:54 PM EST
Why did Jerry lose? Ron Brown had *a lot* to do with that.
- (mmoffitt)
- (28)
- Nov. 11, 2016, 08:22:56 AM EST
I see we still can't agree on the basic facts, let alone the interpretation.
- (Another Scott)
- (27)
- Nov. 11, 2016, 09:20:53 AM EST
^^ that
-NT
- (pwhysall)
- Nov. 11, 2016, 09:26:10 AM EST
Why do you continue to refuse to recognize the obvious?
- (mmoffitt)
- (25)
- Nov. 11, 2016, 09:47:42 AM EST
Sore Loserman says he was Right. Film at 11.
- (Another Scott)
- (18)
- Nov. 11, 2016, 10:53:45 AM EST
That's disappointing.
- (mmoffitt)
- Nov. 11, 2016, 11:08:38 AM EST
OTOH, with the tremendous drag at the top of the ticket, ...
- (mmoffitt)
- (16)
- Nov. 11, 2016, 11:38:46 AM EST
Yeah, they supported ~ 6 House Democrats who won. Feel the Power of the Bern. :-/
-NT
- (Another Scott)
- (15)
- Nov. 11, 2016, 11:45:09 AM EST
When you're rebuilding a political party, you've got to start somewhere, Sport. ;0)
-NT
- (mmoffitt)
- (14)
- Nov. 11, 2016, 12:17:34 PM EST
Re: When you're rebuilding a political party, you've got to start somewhere, Sport. ;0)
- (Another Scott)
- (13)
- Nov. 11, 2016, 12:27:51 PM EST
Um, you do know he campaigned for Her in 12 states, right?
-NT
- (mmoffitt)
- (12)
- Nov. 11, 2016, 01:15:14 PM EST
So what. That's *everything*?
- (Another Scott)
- (11)
- Nov. 11, 2016, 03:15:20 PM EST
What the heck could he have done that he didn't?
- (mmoffitt)
- (5)
- Nov. 11, 2016, 03:24:02 PM EST
He didn't do *everything*. He damaged her and the party. He should have done more.
-NT
- (Another Scott)
- (4)
- Nov. 11, 2016, 03:47:04 PM EST
That's "Everything Possible".
- (mmoffitt)
- (3)
- Nov. 11, 2016, 04:08:51 PM EST
The sitting President campaigned for her more than Bernie did.
- (Another Scott)
- (2)
- Nov. 11, 2016, 05:15:20 PM EST
trump rallying for clinton 82,400,000, did you have a point in there?
-NT
- (boxley)
- (1)
- Nov. 11, 2016, 07:16:51 PM EST
You have to put it in quotes if you want it to work. ;-)
- (Another Scott)
- Nov. 11, 2016, 10:08:41 PM EST
well she is, he didnt want to be lying to the people
-NT
- (boxley)
- (4)
- Nov. 11, 2016, 07:14:32 PM EST
Then why did he say he'd campaign and wok to elect her? Can't have it both ways.
-NT
- (Another Scott)
- (3)
- Nov. 11, 2016, 10:06:42 PM EST
Well, maybe, MAYBE she shouldn't have insulted his supporters.
- (mmoffitt)
- (2)
- Nov. 15, 2016, 06:01:51 PM EST
I think Lincoln Chafee would have done worse. ;-p
-NT
- (Another Scott)
- (1)
- Nov. 15, 2016, 06:23:57 PM EST
nope because I would have voted for him
-NT
- (boxley)
- Nov. 15, 2016, 08:11:13 PM EST
She didn't call the working class deplorables. Why do you believe that?
-NT
- (drook)
- (5)
- Nov. 11, 2016, 11:55:19 AM EST
You're going to defend what she said? *BOGGLE*
- (mmoffitt)
- (4)
- Nov. 11, 2016, 12:15:31 PM EST
The KKK were supporting Trump. Should she not call them deplorable?
- (drook)
- (3)
- Nov. 11, 2016, 12:24:12 PM EST
Re: The KKK were supporting Trump. Should she not call them deplorable?
- (mmoffitt)
- Nov. 11, 2016, 02:10:55 PM EST
Re: The KKK were split on their support. many supported clinton
- (boxley)
- (1)
- Nov. 11, 2016, 07:18:53 PM EST
Yes, exactly that
- (drook)
- Nov. 11, 2016, 09:39:05 PM EST
Jonathan Tasini's thoughts.
- (mmoffitt)
- (1)
- Nov. 10, 2016, 10:13:30 AM EST
Seems a pretty objective wish-list of basic fixes..
- (Ashton)
- Nov. 15, 2016, 07:19:21 AM EST
People are assholes
- (malraux)
- Nov. 8, 2016, 04:52:14 PM EST
