Post #397,615
12/29/14 3:01:22 AM
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'This Changes Everything' ... Naomi Kline on Capitalism -vs- Climate
On Cambridge Forum. Above is book title, author. "Privatized profits & Socialized costs" dissected, including remaining options: Nationalizing those Corps as will not cooperate. Main message (?) we cannot apply BOTH the conventional concepts of (the legendary/fantastical) Free Market AND ... Do what time is running-out, to Do. Economies next Shall be managed, ("If we accept that those stratospheric profits are immoral, they must also be deemed as odious, and (that word again)-- "a new paradigm"--must supersede the idea of dominating Nature (as was the promise of the full exploitation of fossil fuels.) Now, "Nature has responded." Allow sea-levels to rise? to protect this economic system?? "What can we demand, Shall we demand of our leaders, of government?" And like that.. Mentioned other things we all know: that the current Owners of all those $Ts shall fight passionately against .... ah well, we know what. At least though, every new essay on this Topic becomes more concise, clearer about the Immovable-$$ -vs- whatever facsimile of an Irresistible Force can be assembled, next. Place your bets.
I so look forward to next generations treating meat as a condiment, as in so many other cultures, healthier than ours (until they got rich enough to become obsessed with it too.) Pure vegan seems most unlikely, but 'more vegetarian" will likely eliminate a lot of the new designer-diseases along with the junk food which precipitated same, and made all those MDs richer than ever. Hey, if'n ya likes spinach: Palak Paneer is a tasty alternative to eating critters as inherently smart as pigs ..all the time.
The wrangling next, whatever it's like, is sure to be bloody-Fascinating. PLEASE, Repos! start off with a Bang; make illegal a bunch more (than just commandeering wombs.) "Drop the Atom Bomb on Luxembourg" ©, so you can go all extinct years sooner.
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Post #397,619
12/29/14 8:21:22 AM
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Nit
Meat, as currently produced, may be bad for the environment but isn't the health horror vegans present it as. Grains on the other hand ...
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Post #397,806
1/4/15 11:07:18 AM
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Well, it ain't exactly "safe" for normal values of "safe" either.
Ractopamine, RBsT/RBGH anyone? Not to mention the as yet not completely understood effect of giving healthy meat animals antibiotics so that they grow "more meat." I agree the Vegans may be prone to hyperbole in this area, but the fact is that all of us who eat commercially grown chicken, turkey and swine products are participating in an experiment that is not factually known to be safe.
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Post #397,811
1/4/15 12:24:28 PM
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Same with people who try to avoid eating fat
They're also participating in an experiment, but this one we already know how bad it is for us.
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Post #397,621
12/29/14 11:03:32 AM
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re meat: I wonder if in vitro meat will be a game changer.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In_vitro_meatIt's too expensive now, and there are undoubtedly issues that will crop up (contamination? lack of essential nutrients? patents/restraint of trade) as happened in the early days of "baby formula", but presumably those can be resolved. Cattle on an industrial scale is a big problem, but there's a lot of money behind it, also too. Cheers, Scott.
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Post #397,622
12/29/14 11:12:43 AM
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Baby formula is the exact right comparison
We're a century into that experiment and more and more docs are coming around to the view that breast feeding is still better, for reasons we're still not entirely sure of.
Even supposing they could exactly reproduce the same meat in vitro as you get from a live animal, why should I believe they would produce that once they find a way to save a buck?
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Post #397,624
12/29/14 12:33:27 PM
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Indeed.
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Post #397,627
12/29/14 1:23:47 PM
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Re: Baby formula is the exact right comparison
>>> "..., for reasons we're still not entirely sure of." Some folks think it's because colostrum (breast milk) contains 'transfer factors', and is one method of building up the newborn's immune system. From the article: "They carry with them the parent lymphocyte's delayed-type hypersensitivity and cell-mediated immunity and pass it along to non-immune recipients,..." http://www.mskcc.org/cancer-care/herb/transfer-factor
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Post #397,707
12/30/14 7:06:51 PM
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Colostrum, indeed.
Was one of the nostrums I employed re. a couple sick animals, and another example of what working-remedies go ^Zoooom^ over the brain pans of AMA-styled Vets, for the most part. Still, in 2014.
(Of course too, while I may have seen some signs of its efficacy..? your 'data' (and that of lots of others who write reports) counts not a whit, when one's std. ref. is words from Big Pharma.)
I note that 'transfer factor' derivatives, in *capsule form, are out there. But the usual untraceability of their ingredients (for the interested and careful) means: you are your own lab, and unless you deal with n- patients, it's still a crap shoot. But that's the way capitalism works (and depends on. :-(
* I used liquid, as extracted; costs more/less dependent upon 'processors' of whatever expertise.
Thanks for good reminder; sometimes all the 'methods' just runtogether as we amateurs try to compensate for universal obtuseness amidst the "Pros". Knowing they are deficient never makes a one automatically superior (either!)
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Post #397,642
12/29/14 3:59:32 PM
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Re: for reasons we're still not entirely sure of
Well for the containers the milk comes from there's just no comparison! :) Alex
"There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there has always been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that "my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge."
-- Isaac Asimov
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Post #397,643
12/29/14 4:17:20 PM
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Product idea
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Post #397,663
12/29/14 10:12:30 PM
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Yuppies would buy that for sure.
The Walmart crowd, not so much. Alex
"There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there has always been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that "my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge."
-- Isaac Asimov
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Post #397,679
12/30/14 7:57:42 AM
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Well they're the ones with the money, ain't they?
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Post #397,702
12/30/14 6:34:59 PM
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That's a bingo! :)
Alex
"There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there has always been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that "my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge."
-- Isaac Asimov
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Post #397,629
12/29/14 1:47:28 PM
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meh, I pay extra for buffalo steak
Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free American and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 59 years. meep
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Post #397,807
1/4/15 11:08:19 AM
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Me, too!
Cook's bison ranch is just down the road from me and I've got 70 pounds of bison in the freezer. ;0)
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Post #397,626
12/29/14 1:12:11 PM
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Re: 'This Changes Everything' ... Naomi Kline on Capitalism -vs- Climate
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Post #397,817
1/4/15 4:19:02 PM
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Ahh.. thanks. Yup, officially: correct choice. Meat is untrustworthy. Aaauuummmmmm. . .
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