Post #387,157
3/3/14 12:07:39 PM
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Check your Wikipedia.
The Budapest Memorandum on Security Assurances is an international treaty signed on 5 December 1994, providing security assurances by its signatories in connection to Ukraine's accession to the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons. The Memorandum was originally signed by three nuclear-powers, the Russian Federation, the United States of America, and the United Kingdom. China and France later gave individual statements of assurance as well.
The deal included security assurances against threats or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of Ukraine as well as those of Belarus and Kazakhstan. As a result Ukraine gave up the world's third largest nuclear weapons stockpile between 1994 and 1996.
Following the 2014 Crimean crisis, the US stated that Russian involvement is in breach of its obligations to Ukraine under the Budapest Memorandum, and in clear violation of Ukrainian sovereignty and territorial integrity. My emphasis.
The Tatars support the revolution in Kiev. As far as I'm concerned the Tatars could go independent in Crimea. It's not a question of Ukrainian land grabs. Of course, the Tatars originally pushed out the Greeks way back when. It's no accident that so many city names end in "pol".
So would you be in favor of Mexico grabbing Southern California?
Alex
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Post #387,171
3/3/14 8:42:28 PM
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I thought they already did?
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Post #387,183
3/4/14 5:01:50 AM
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What about Turkey?
I read recently that there is an older treaty that means if Russia tries to occupy Crimea, it actually reverts to Turkey. Unfortunately, the Wikipedia article about said treaty is not an easy read.
http://en.wikipedia....of_Küçük_Kaynarca
Wade.
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Post #387,185
3/4/14 9:10:33 AM
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You're right!
Crimea and the Tatar inhabitants were a protectorate of the Ottoman empire.
Alex
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-- Isaac Asimov
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Post #387,191
3/4/14 10:23:28 AM
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well that is why the Crimean war started inittially
russians trying to protect slavs and orthodox christians was it not?
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Post #387,196
3/4/14 12:43:31 PM
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Russia was in an expansioinst mode.
The Tatars hadn't quite figured out that agriculture thing made regular marauding raids deep into Ukraine and even Polish territories. They brought the grain, goods, young women and some boys back to Crimea. They exported slaves to Turkey. The Cossacks were established on the Dnieper River near the current city of Zaporizhia (and various other spellings) to keep them at bay.
Kathrine II tried to push back the Ottoman empire all around the Black Sea, out of the Balkans, and even hoped to return Constantinople to Christian control. That didn't quite happen, but Crimea was invaded and captured in 1768.
Alex
ÂThere is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there has always been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that "my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.Â
-- Isaac Asimov
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Post #387,206
3/4/14 7:43:43 PM
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they needed a warm water port and cuba was too far back then
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Post #387,210
3/4/14 8:14:12 PM
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But hey, with global warming . . .
. . they can have as many ports as they want - they don't even need Sevastopol.
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Post #397,051
12/12/14 8:05:04 AM
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When the heck isn't it...
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Post #397,061
12/12/14 12:54:06 PM
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when it is being invaded by the europeans or the turks
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