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New Re: TotN: Guns in the US - What we know, what we don't.
Here's a massively blunt instrument of a number: total firearms-related deaths per year, per 100,000 population. I wanted to compare the US with a country of similar developmental status, that has very strict gun laws, the UK.

US: 10.2
UK: 0.25

(most shooty country in the world: El Salvador, rate 50.36)
(least shooty country in the world: Chile, rate 0.06)

http://en.wikipedia....elated_death_rate

To contrast: intentional homicide rate. Again, per 100,000 population:

US: 4.8
UK: 1.2

(Most murdery country in the world: Honduras, rate 91.0)
(least murdery country in the world: Monaco, rate 0.0)

http://en.wikipedia....nal_homicide_rate

And finally, suicide rate per 100,000 population (this is averaged male/female, as males tend to be much more suicidey than females, and broken-out figures are not available for both US and UK on Wikipedia)

US: 12.0
UK: 6.9

(most suicidey country in the world: South Korea, rate 31.7)
(least suicidey country in the world: Grenada, rate 0.0)

http://en.wikipedia....s_by_suicide_rate
New "We" don't care
Really. The debate is not whether or not to remove the vast majority of guns from circulation, which will affect those numbers. The debate is whether or not to go after a particular subset.

"(least shooty country in the world: Chile, rate 0.06) "

Oh BS for these numbers and most of the rest. Very few countries actually track death rates by method, no way I'm trusting most of the percentages posted.

And even if it is correct, oh great, Chile is just waiting for another dirty war to pop up.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dirty_War

This portion of that population sure could use some more:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mapuche

They need MORE guns to protect themselves, not less. It will keep them from being thrown out of helicopters the next time the army is annoyed by them.

     TotN: Guns in the US - What we know, what we don't. - (Another Scott) - (51)
         here is another fact - (boxley) - (42)
             I guess I wasn't clear. - (Another Scott) - (41)
                 your stats dont match reality - (boxley) - (40)
                     You're looking at particulars. - (Another Scott) - (39)
                         You're looking at your stats of choice - (crazy) - (38)
                             This post was just about 3 things. - (Another Scott) - (4)
                                 Sigh - (crazy) - (1)
                                     Sidenote: - (S1mon_Jester)
                                 looking at the mad rush in all 50 states - (boxley) - (1)
                                     Re: looking at the mad rush in all 50 states - (S1mon_Jester)
                             That's not a primary argument - (drook) - (32)
                                 Ehh, side show - (crazy)
                                 But if you REALLY want this argument - (crazy) - (30)
                                     Can't prove a negative. HTH. -NT - (Another Scott) - (29)
                                         If this guy didn't have that gun - (crazy)
                                         The day police response to home invasion is instantaneous - (crazy) - (27)
                                             The status quo is going to change. - (Another Scott) - (26)
                                                 your changes will have nothing to do with preventing - (boxley) - (25)
                                                     If everyone... - (folkert) - (24)
                                                         greg, I don't discuss my security arrangements in public -NT - (boxley) - (23)
                                                             As if you... - (folkert) - (22)
                                                                 the emotion is all coming from your side "the cheedrun" -NT - (boxley) - (21)
                                                                     Re: the emotion is all coming from your side "the cheedrun" - (Another Scott) - (15)
                                                                         backatcha - (boxley) - (14)
                                                                             And your point is? - (Another Scott) - (13)
                                                                                 Re: And your point is? - (boxley) - (12)
                                                                                     Move to strike as unresponsive. -NT - (Another Scott) - (11)
                                                                                         more words please, what was the point of your post - (boxley) - (10)
                                                                                             Re: more words please, what was the point of your post - (Another Scott) - (9)
                                                                                                 bust in all you want - (boxley) - (8)
                                                                                                     Your predictions aren't very good. Hyperinflation? ;-) - (Another Scott) - (3)
                                                                                                         Re: Your predictions aren't very good. Hyperinflation? ;-) - (boxley) - (2)
                                                                                                             Lots of people bought Beanie Babies as "investments"... -NT - (Another Scott) - (1)
                                                                                                                 and some made money on it - (boxley)
                                                                                                     Re: bust in all you want - (lincoln) - (3)
                                                                                                         naw, you catch the swat team at the donut shop -NT - (boxley) - (2)
                                                                                                             they can get their donuts to-go -NT - (lincoln) - (1)
                                                                                                                 drive thru ied done deal - (boxley)
                                                                     No, not the CHEELDRUN. - (folkert) - (4)
                                                                         Greg I dont give a rats ass about soothing you - (boxley) - (3)
                                                                             And again... - (folkert) - (2)
                                                                                 you should get a job at microsoft - (boxley) - (1)
                                                                                     Cheers. - (folkert)
         A few thoughts - (S1mon_Jester) - (4)
             Damned right. - (mmoffitt) - (3)
                 For those that don't know... (graphic details) - (folkert) - (2)
                     :-( I'm glad you're still here. Hang in there. -NT - (Another Scott) - (1)
                         Wasn't meant to be... - (folkert)
         Regarding suicide rate - (Silverlock)
         Re: TotN: Guns in the US - What we know, what we don't. - (pwhysall) - (1)
             "We" don't care - (crazy)

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