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Post #35,042 by Meerkat 4/10/02 9:15:36 PM Reply	Cool! Heh, I was teaching myself TI Extended Basic when I was 13... Which come to think of it had a far less intuitive line editor. How do you edit a line of code? Type in the line number, press function-E or Function-X How do you insert? Function-2 How do you append? Function-D to the end of the line How do you delete a word? Function-1 until it goes away How do you change a word? Function-1 it, then Function-2 to insert etc, etc... Hang on ... why do I still know this? shakes head On and on and on and on, and on and on and on goes John.
Post #35,051 by static 4/10/02 10:00:34 PM Reply	Yes but... ... most of those keys had labels for them. ESDX had arrows on them; 1 had DEL printed about, 2 had INS, etc. About the only non-intuitive was FCTN-Up (or Down) for line edit. TI BASIC had an EDIT command which I used until I had to use the FCTN-Up trick in Extended BASIC. Wade. "All around me are nothing but fakes Come with me on the biggest fake of all!"
Post #35,055 by Meerkat 4/10/02 10:14:50 PM Reply	So, there's a market for a 'vi' keyboard :) Mind you - no geek would be seen dead with one. Or, chiclet keyboards should make a combak so you could put on a vi overlay and away you go :) John, who was recently outbid on an auction for a 99/4a...
Post #35,059 by kmself 4/10/02 10:46:28 PM Reply	That would be so cool! An 'i' key with an 'i' label. An 'a' key with an 'a' label. An 'h' key with an 'h' label. A 'j' key with a 'j' label. ... /me ducks. `-- Karsten M. Self [link\|mailto:kmself@ix.netcom.com\|kmself@ix.netcom.com] [link\|http://kmself.home.netcom.com/\|[link\|http://kmself.home.netcom.com/\|http://kmself.home.netcom.com/]] What part of "gestalt" don't you understand? Keep software free. Oppose the CBDTPA. Kill S.2048 dead. [link\|http://www.eff.org/alerts/20020322_eff_cbdtpa_alert.html\|[link\|http://www.eff.org/alerts/20020322_eff_cbdtpa_alert.html\|http://www.eff.org/...a_alert.html]]`
Post #35,061 by Meerkat 4/10/02 10:55:12 PM Reply	I can only only insert at beginning and append at end... ...all my keycaps are in capitals :) On and on and on and on, and on and on and on goes John.
Post #35,064 by static 4/10/02 11:20:21 PM Reply	You're not thinking clearly. The 'h' key would have a left-arrow, fr'instance. :-) Wade. "All around me are nothing but fakes Come with me on the biggest fake of all!"
Post #35,058 by SpiceWare 4/10/02 10:44:25 PM Reply	I went the C= route With a VIC 20 in '81, it's full screen editing ruled :-) Darrell Spice, Jr. [link\|http://home.houston.rr.com/spiceware/\|SpiceWare] - We don't do Windows, it's too much of a chore
Post #35,062 by Meerkat 4/10/02 10:57:53 PM Reply	But you only had 22 columns to play with :( The TI had a whole throbbing 28, normally. But yeah, when I upgraded to a C128, full-screen editing was my friend (and Basic 7.0 rocked, too...) Snippet of IT conversation I just overhead "They employed me right away coz I had a lot of Wang..."
Post #35,097 by SpiceWare 4/11/02 9:38:35 AM Reply	Not many options at that time I was originally going to get the TRS-80 Color Computer(32 columns, all caps). I spent the summer of 81 working at grandma's to save up money for the computer. My parents were going to pay for the other half and I'd get it for Christmas. One day grandma wanted to see this "new fangled thing" that I wanted, so we went to a Radio Shack. The CoCo display was turned off so I asked the guy working there if he would turn it on - his response "I can't, there's a password for it and I don't know it. If it's not typed in correctly it will ruin* the computer".* Needless to say, the bold faced lie really ticked me off, and to this date I purchase a lot fewer things from Rat Shack than I would have. I then found out about the newly released Vic 20 and decided to get that instead. Turned out to be a much better system for me as I'd taught myself programming on a Commodore PET my freshman year in highschool(80-81). I think the funky editing on the CoCo would have annoyed me to no end. I got my first modem around the time I started to learn machine language. I didn't even have an assembler, I used a short BASIC program with data statements and a READ/POKE loop(took me a bit to figure out backward branching). One of my early ML programs was a 40 column terminal, using 4 pixel wide characters(each character was 3 pixels wide with 1 pixel for spacing between letters). It worked surprisingly well(probably because the pixels were so large, somebody did something similiar for the C=64 later but it didn't work quite as well). The only annoying thing was my screen scrolling routine - it went by column(left to right) and made the display look like it was doing the hula while it scrolled :-) Darrell Spice, Jr. [link\|http://home.houston.rr.com/spiceware/\|SpiceWare] - We don't do Windows, it's too much of a chore
Post #35,100 by broomberg 4/11/02 10:59:23 AM Reply	May not have been a lie I had a friend who was a C64 guru. He knew the exact sequence of peeks and pokes that could cause damage to the peripherals, and when a store pissed him off, he'd code it on their demo boxes. They triggered a sequence once, after it flashed a warning on touch. Since they were too stupid to realize turning it off would wipe it clean, they had several boxes on for a huge amount of time, yet were scared to touch them.
Post #35,112 by SpiceWare 4/11/02 11:55:27 AM Reply	while it's possible to harm hardware with software turning on CoCo does not involve a password. Darrell Spice, Jr. [link\|http://home.houston.rr.com/spiceware/\|SpiceWare] - We don't do Windows, it's too much of a chore
Post #35,098 by SpiceWare 4/11/02 9:47:43 AM Reply	Ah, BASIC 7.0 yeah, that was cool. I recoded the 128's PLAY routine for my BBS/Term programs on the C64, had it set up to send music in real time at 300 baud. I sold a quite a few copies of my BBS program - paid for my books a few semesters. Darrell Spice, Jr. [link\|http://home.houston.rr.com/spiceware/\|SpiceWare] - We don't do Windows, it's too much of a chore
Post #35,130 by orion 4/11/02 1:20:51 PM Reply	You'd love MESS [link\|http://www.mess.org\|[link\|http://www.mess.org\|http://www.mess.org]] it does TI/994A, C-VIC-20, C64, C128 and other emulation. I think they just came out with an update? *I am free now, to choose my own destiny.*
Post #35,091 by jb4 4/11/02 9:09:38 AM Reply	Re: Cool! When I was 13, I was programming a PDP-8 The only "editor" we had was the ability to punch RUB-OUTs onto the paper tape! Editors?...Bah! You want an editor? I'll give you and editor...TECO! Now get all those pretenders to the throne outta my sight!!! ;-) (P.S. Nowadays, I use ED4W as my editor. Hell, I've been doing this professionally for over a quarter century...I've earned the occasional luxury!) jb4 (Resistance is not futile...)

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