Think I figured out what it was

Post #344,480 by drook 7/1/11 9:01:51 PM 7/1/11 11:15:10 PM Reply	Think I figured out what it was At home it's Evo 2.30. Work is Evo 2.32. In 2.30 there's a section in Settings -> Defaults for where to put drafts and sent messages. By default they go in local folders, but you can select server folders so they're available everywhere. In 2.32 you can also do that for junk and trash. In 2.30 those are both virtual folders. IMAP is aware of the "deleted" flag, and evo hides those in the virtual folder. If you choose to put trash in a real folder on the server, it flags the original for deletion and puts a new copy in the trash folder. Tangent: This behavior is because of an implementation detail on early mail systems. If all messages are stored in a single file, like mbox, deletes are expensive. It's quicker to flag a message as deleted, then bulk update when you "expunge" the folder. For the same reason, moves are handled by copying to the new location and flagging the original for deletion. Since IMAP doesn't have a "junk" flag, however, Evo sets that flag locally, hides them in the original folder, and shows them in the virtual junk folder. Now with 2.32 at work configured to put junk in a real folder, and 2.30 at home setting a flag that the server doesn't know about, if I forget to expunge on one system before leaving, those items are still there on the other system. So it seems to be a conflict between different implementations of junk filtering. -- Drew Edited by drook July 1, 2011, 11:15:10 PM EDT Expand All History
Post #344,483 by Another Scott 7/1/11 9:30:31 PM Reply	Sounds plausible. Shouldn't happen, though. The Evo programmers should have understood that things like this could happen and guarded against them in the design phase. It's not like e-mail users haven't been using multiple clients to talk to the same account for a few decades or something... :-/ Glad you got it figured it out. Cheers, Scott.
Post #344,497 by static 7/2/11 3:46:16 AM Reply	Yeah, IMAP is a quirky thing. The inventor of IMAP is a rather biased individual and loves the mbox format. The writer of Courier has had a few "encounters" with him, especially when Courier-IMAP (which uses Maildir exclusively) turned out to be many times faster than the "official" IMAP server. Wade. Static Scribblings http://staticsan.blogspot.com/
Post #344,500 by folkert 7/2/11 10:00:55 AM Reply	There is a reason... I've chosen to continue to use Courier's POP/IMAP servers.
Post #344,502 by malraux 7/2/11 10:16:26 AM Reply	Re: Yeah, IMAP is a quirky thing. http://www.courier-m.../mbox-vs-maildir/ http://www.courier-mta.org/fud/ Regards, -scott Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson.
Post #344,504 by Another Scott 7/2/11 11:02:07 AM Reply	Interesting. Thanks.
Post #344,518 by Ashton 7/2/11 6:24:19 PM 7/2/11 6:25:54 PM Reply	Feeling a bit masochistic, I actually read the 1st link, scanned most of the topic displays. Seems an apparently exhaustive, logical and probably sufficient analysis of why 'IMAP' ~~ sux, by comparison with alternatives. Since computer-'science' is allegedly--like other sciences--ever in search of the lucid, the provably superior [method.. for anything], dare I ask a few Qs which ensue? I mean, with trillions of messages, with content from the agonizingly stupid ---> blissfully profound: clearly 'mail' techno has risen to the level of Critical AssetÂ, daily/minute-by-minute. Q:[WHY] Is there NO adult supervision at IMAP HQ?? Worse (and given the predictably hole-filled mess that every Doze 'build' carries forward [to the {sob} Next) Is 'IT' forever doomed to operate solely under the bizhead/reduced-comprehension of the spreadsheet besotted/science-illiterate corner-office droids? eg Why Is It that 'IT' Pros have never funded an org, with, say, the aims of Consumer Reports [but for its audience]--one with the creds and the English Language chops to act as a moderator: pointing out the major flaws of Ap-A -vs- Ap-B, especially in an area so critical as, non-confusing, properly coded MAIL Aps? Hmm? Surely enough time has elapsed since the 486-DX, that the need for Adult Supervision is manifest. OK I'm iggerant of n+66 aspects of The Problem; still, how's come your trade/Profession/ Calling? appears to believe it (IT) can make decent progress in weeding out the sub-quality stuff now in proliferation: without a recognized, respected, Competent org dedicated to the critical oversight of, at least the Crucial Aps in worldwide circulation? [The Market Will Correct? cha cha cha] Surely you jest. (Yesss, you'd have to Support the gestation and then maintenance of such an org--with real money.) Out of your Own proceeds [call it Dues] ... at least until it achieves Cabinet Status for its relevance to 'info' transmission of every description, and is properly finded as is any other Critical National Asset. I believe I raised a similar issue.. oh, say ~ Ten years ago..? Has anything 'improved' since? Is everybody just too busy debugging, to notice or care about this \|black hole\| in the middle of your fav playground? Zzzzzzzzzzz Curmudgeons everywhere Want To Know. [oTyp] Edited by Ashton July 2, 2011, 06:25:54 PM EDT Expand All History
Post #344,520 by static 7/2/11 6:50:36 PM 7/2/11 6:50:57 PM Reply	It's called "mindshare" It's a bit of a chicken-and-egg situation. Sure, a better IMAP can be written. But it needs a corresponding client to use it. That's how IMAP started: UW-IMAP and PINE were written by the same person. Whether someone today was to write and promote a whole new protocol or "fix" the exisint one, they would need buy-in from popular clients. As Drew has discovered, "best practices" of using an IMAP server has shifted in some ways from what the originator intended. That's what happens in the real world. The author of Courier is aware of this, but won't violate the RFC as that is still the reference point everyone codes to. I've used UW-IMAP, by the way, and a sorry excuse for a server it is. It's the same author of the "c-client" library that is popularly used to be an IMAP client; and it's awful to program against, as well. Wade. Static Scribblings http://staticsan.blogspot.com/ Edited by static July 2, 2011, 06:50:57 PM EDT Expand All History
Post #344,523 by Ashton 7/2/11 8:34:12 PM Reply	I remember PINE.. Used it to send stuff from Indiana --> Moscow in early '90s; then, it seemed near-miraculous. It even accommodated Cyrillic text!/somehow. I no Unix then, but had to grok enough to proceed. Picky lot, aren't we?

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