Re: old man was a shop steward for uaw

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Post #303,077 by jake123 1/26/09 11:57:45 AM Reply	Re: old man was a shop steward for uaw Just pointing out that the fact that it went badly for them (due in no small part to management not doing a good job) doesn't invalidate the huge benefits that unions brought to the average working person.
Post #303,079 by boxley 1/26/09 12:28:01 PM Reply	no question, back in the 60's it wasnt so much about hourly wages as decent benefits and pensions. Later the union fought too hard to keep the payroll ballooned instead of right sizing negotiations with the companies. This wasnt the only cause of the costs that drug down sales by no means but it was a factor
Post #303,084 by jake123 1/26/09 2:08:49 PM Reply	I was thinking more about the tens and twenties Life in a factory was nasty, brutish, and short in those days, and often took limbs. At least, that's when the labour movement started to really get going up here, which resulted over the course of the following three decades in the environment that your dad was working in. If he'd been trying to get benefits etc back then, chances were good that he'd be beaten into stupidity for his troubles.

great, my electric bill is gonna go thru the roof - (boxley) - (58) - Jan. 15, 2009, 01:06:46 PM EST

Question - (drook) - (57) - Jan. 15, 2009, 02:14:35 PM EST

question does a volume user get discounts? - (boxley) - (6) - Jan. 15, 2009, 02:25:06 PM EST

"Punish" is a loaded word - (drook) - (5) - Jan. 15, 2009, 02:45:48 PM EST

okay, push extra cost on "thing" that provides - (boxley) - (4) - Jan. 15, 2009, 03:09:10 PM EST

Yeah, making manufacturers pay the true costs is so onerous -NT - (drook) - (3) - Jan. 15, 2009, 03:12:33 PM EST

I missed something I think - (boxley) - (2) - Jan. 15, 2009, 03:31:37 PM EST

I'm not allowed to spew sulfer and ash on my neighbor's yard -NT - (drook) - (1) - Jan. 15, 2009, 03:50:22 PM EST

thats why I suggested fines and incentives for fixing that - (boxley) - Jan. 15, 2009, 04:18:40 PM EST

Excuse me? - (beepster) - (49) - Jan. 15, 2009, 10:31:51 PM EST

Ahh, okay - (drook) - (1) - Jan. 15, 2009, 10:44:00 PM EST

Re: Ahh, okay - (beepster) - Jan. 16, 2009, 12:29:21 AM EST

Wrong. They can - (jake123) - (46) - Jan. 22, 2009, 10:40:51 AM EST

nothing wrong with unions as long as they are a partner -NT - (boxley) - (44) - Jan. 22, 2009, 10:42:47 AM EST

As in partner in the business? - (drook) - (43) - Jan. 22, 2009, 10:47:14 AM EST

do you earn your nut? - (boxley) - (42) - Jan. 22, 2009, 11:29:17 AM EST

Do *they* earn it? - (drook) - (41) - Jan. 22, 2009, 12:03:37 PM EST

Some will, some won't - (beepster) - (40) - Jan. 22, 2009, 12:28:03 PM EST

Then clearly I should be more grateful than I am - (drook) - (39) - Jan. 22, 2009, 12:43:49 PM EST

no, grateful is the wrong word - (boxley) - Jan. 22, 2009, 12:49:26 PM EST

Why? - (beepster) - (37) - Jan. 22, 2009, 01:31:03 PM EST

Look at the comment that started this branch - (drook) - (36) - Jan. 22, 2009, 02:09:46 PM EST

And I will say to that... - (beepster) - (35) - Jan. 22, 2009, 04:25:04 PM EST

History does not support your prognosis -NT - (jake123) - (6) - Jan. 22, 2009, 04:34:31 PM EST

caw? My old man suffered crippling strikes for the future of - (boxley) - (5) - Jan. 22, 2009, 06:53:45 PM EST

Box - (jake123) - (4) - Jan. 26, 2009, 09:46:58 AM EST

old man was a shop steward for uaw - (boxley) - (3) - Jan. 26, 2009, 11:52:30 AM EST

Re: old man was a shop steward for uaw - (jake123) - (2) - Jan. 26, 2009, 11:57:45 AM EST

no question, back in the 60's - (boxley) - (1) - Jan. 26, 2009, 12:28:01 PM EST

I was thinking more about the tens and twenties - (jake123) - Jan. 26, 2009, 02:08:49 PM EST

Corporations are many-headed monsters. - (Another Scott) - (12) - Jan. 22, 2009, 04:47:53 PM EST

And I'll continue to insist - (beepster) - (4) - Jan. 22, 2009, 04:56:05 PM EST

Red card, player ejected - (drook) - (3) - Jan. 22, 2009, 05:49:30 PM EST

No, what I'm rejecting - (beepster) - (2) - Jan. 22, 2009, 06:11:46 PM EST

Ahh, now I get it - (drook) - (1) - Jan. 22, 2009, 07:11:36 PM EST

Obviously it doesn't - (beepster) - Jan. 22, 2009, 08:15:09 PM EST

how many board level folks have you chatted with? - (boxley) - (6) - Jan. 22, 2009, 06:56:41 PM EST

Then explain ... - (drook) - (5) - Jan. 22, 2009, 07:27:46 PM EST

Thou sayest. -NT - (Ashton) - Jan. 22, 2009, 07:31:02 PM EST

what is the long term effect on their stock price compared. - (boxley) - (3) - Jan. 22, 2009, 08:34:31 PM EST

If it worked the way Adam Smith said, things would be better - (Another Scott) - (2) - Jan. 22, 2009, 08:58:51 PM EST

Re: If it worked the way Adam Smith said, things would be be - (beepster) - Jan. 22, 2009, 09:06:47 PM EST

thanks for making my point - (boxley) - Jan. 22, 2009, 09:34:02 PM EST

Key phrase in there - (drook) - (14) - Jan. 22, 2009, 04:55:32 PM EST

Re: Key phrase in there - (beepster) - (13) - Jan. 22, 2009, 04:57:50 PM EST

I see no 'explanation' - (Ashton) - (12) - Jan. 22, 2009, 06:25:06 PM EST

put this in your pipe and smoke it - (boxley) - (11) - Jan. 22, 2009, 07:01:53 PM EST

Private companies are different. - (Another Scott) - (1) - Jan. 22, 2009, 07:28:44 PM EST

aug 2004 isnt that long ago - (boxley) - Jan. 22, 2009, 08:27:45 PM EST

Won't light, must be wet - (drook) - (8) - Jan. 22, 2009, 07:31:13 PM EST

Is he not a CEO? - (beepster) - (7) - Jan. 22, 2009, 08:19:53 PM EST

So what's your argument now? - (drook) - (6) - Jan. 22, 2009, 08:33:18 PM EST

Shouldn't I be asking you that? - (beepster) - (5) - Jan. 22, 2009, 08:58:06 PM EST

Again, look at what started this - (drook) - (4) - Jan. 22, 2009, 11:18:40 PM EST

Ok - (beepster) - Jan. 23, 2009, 06:48:57 AM EST

good, back on point - (boxley) - (2) - Jan. 23, 2009, 08:08:43 AM EST

I figure unions are like advertising - (drook) - (1) - Jan. 23, 2009, 10:08:11 AM EST

ICLRPD -NT - (folkert) - Jan. 23, 2009, 10:42:34 AM EST

Not 100% - (beepster) - Jan. 22, 2009, 10:51:28 AM EST

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