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New Thanks for the feedback
I went out to lunch with the girls yesterday and this was the topic of a heated discussion. It's interesting to get some different points of view on this topic, especially from such a fine panel of experts like yourselves. :-P

I've had situations go both way. After my divorce I slept with one of my great male friends. It was awesome sex, but our friendship was greater, so that was the end of that. We satisfied our curiosity and moved on. Other attempts to satisfy curiosity have not been so fortuitous. It's all very interesting.
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Why does sex have such power? Or is it not the sex itself, but the significance you attach to it?

I think if ya got a man and and a woman who like each other, there's always gonna be sparks. I guess it's what you do about that sparks that matters.

Jesus was a star last week.
Now he's tending bar on Melrose.
Welcome to Hollywood.
New I don't think it does have such power
Like I said, it depends on what else you had going for each other. My male friends, the friendship has nothing to do with sex. Never will. In your example, your friendship wasn't just about the sex. So when you had it, then stopped, you still had the friendship.

Any relationship that you wouldn't have if it weren't for the sex -- or the possibility of sex -- will not survive a breakup. What would you talk about?
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New I'll disagree with Drew
And my guess as to the reason is simple biology. Those who do not sometimes intertwine sex and a mess of emotion are less successful at arranging for kids to have a good caregiving situation.

But on the flip side, were it not for the same biology, sex would not be so fun. :-)

Cheers,
Ben
I have come to believe that idealism without discipline is a quick road to disaster, while discipline without idealism is pointless. -- Aaron Ward (my brother)
New Remember, I prefaced everything with "when I was single"
None of this applies, now that I am happily married and don't think about other women that way.
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New That sounds like the CYA clause
you're going to use to avoid trouble with the wiff when she reads this. ;)
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New She doesn't read this
But yes, yes it is.






Actually, though, everything I said is generally true IMO of most guys who haven't yet found a real romantic relationship. To me, one of the key indicators that yes, this one might be serious, is that you don't notice other women quite so much any more. Of course you still look, I mean that's what eyes are for innit?
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New No. Eyes are for ...
gouging out when you get married.
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New Another thought
Next time you talk to "the girls", ask them which of their male friends (that they're not sleeping with) is the most attractive. If they have an answer, or even stop to think about it, they've noticed the naughty bits.

<gross_generalization>Women notice an attractive man just as much as men notice an attractive woman. But if men admit it, we're accused of wanting to sleep with her. Which we do, but that's not the point.</gross_generalization>
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New As long as we're on gross generalizations . . . .
What women find most attractive in a man is evidence of wealth and a propensity to spend it unwisely. This is why a Porsche is such an effective attractor.

I notice in my age group the phrase "economically secure" and similar crude euphamisms are no longer used in singles ads. The universal ploy is now listing "Travel" as a most important interest, clearly implying that an acceptable man has plenty of leasure time and plenty of money.
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New Want honesty? Check out the Russian Bride sites
Forget "likes travel" or "financially secure". These girls either haven't learned euphamism in English yet, or they just don't care. They want someone who's "generous".


Don't ask me how I know this.



Okay, since I know you'll ask, I work with a guy who's recently divorced.
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New Oh, when they say "generous" I assume they mean FAT



"Whenever you find you are on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect"   --Mark Twain

"The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of thinking we were at when we created them."   --Albert Einstein

"This is still a dangerous world. It's a world of madmen and uncertainty and potential mental losses."   --George W. Bush
New Havn't checked out any sites, but . . .
. . I've received a few emails. "Agency" teaches them that American men are just tired of dealing with American women and are looking for a woman who's obedient, worshipful, supportive and tolerant of abuse.

Their letters follow a set formula and sometimes it's pretty funny. The most recent one I received was one from an actually very attractive lady telling me that all she wants is to cook and keep house and keep her man happy. Then you read the fine print. She's got two engineering degrees and a strong background managing serious scale civil engineering and utility projects. Ummmmm . . . cooking and vacuuming, Yeah?
[link|http://www.aaxnet.com|AAx]
New Go for that one
When she shows up, tell her, "Look, I know you want a career, and frankly i'd get bored with a glorified maid anyway. Take me as I am and don't fool around and I'll treat you as an equal." Nothing wrong with both of you exceeding expectations.
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New I cant dispute your experiences
But honestly Andrew, we're not all like that!
Jesus was a star last week.
Now he's tending bar on Melrose.
Welcome to Hollywood.
New Actually, my experiences aren't like that . . .
. . because women like that obviously won't have anything to do with me - I'm comfortable living below my means.

The exceptions do, however, prove the rule (proper meaning of the phrase: prove = test, as in a proof house that tests guns, not as in a mathematical proof). In real life the exceptions are pretty common, but in singles ads they are very rare.
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New Nicole's personal ad must be like that.
[link|http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/4317536.stm|Nicole traveled from South Africa to Australia and back in 9 months].

Wow!

Cheers,
Scott.
New The "girls" are a bunch of therapists
so we cant discuss anything without analyzing it to death from several different angles. But heck yeah, we talk about our male friends and which celebrities we'd like to bed. But grossly generalizing, it's not a man's naught bits that catch our attention. We dont run around saying "did you see that guy's package?!" It's more his face, his eyes, his smile.. things like that. Our fantasies involve him staring into our eyes and taking us lovingly in his arms before the banging commences.






Jesus was a star last week.
Now he's tending bar on Melrose.
Welcome to Hollywood.
New So why do you expect to find a man who *doesn't* notice?
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New I dont.
I never said I did. I'm simply posing questions and mulling over your answers.


Jesus was a star last week.
Now he's tending bar on Melrose.
Welcome to Hollywood.
New Okay, maybe you don't want it
But [link|http://z.iwethey.org/forums/render/content/show?contentid=228394|this]:
I'm talking no fantasies, no fleeting thoughts, no appreciation of her mammaries, rear end or other naughty bits. No desire. No curiosity.
says you're interested in the possibility.
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New No it doesnt
I'm only questioning if such a beast exists.

Quit over analyzing things. That's my job.
Jesus was a star last week.
Now he's tending bar on Melrose.
Welcome to Hollywood.
New You obviously don't understand DrewK's role here.
He over analyzes everything. That is why he is in QA.
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New No... no, that is definitely Drew's job.
I believe he has a wider scope of analization*, however.



* Yes, the spelling is intentional.
Regards,

-scott anderson

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New So then eyes, etc, ARE the "naughty bits" for your gang.
New The voice, don't forget the voice!
That's a biggie too, doncha think, girls?

Since when is a voice a naughty bit? Or eyes?

We are just more intuitive, that's all.

Peace,
Amy

Oh Freddled Gruntbuggly!
New stealth sex
a couple of times when I was single we would be discussing politics, civilization, music, the arts and then I would here a gasp "hey! I hope you're wearing a rubber!"
he,
thanx,
bill
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New Diet Coke through the nose!
bcnu,
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New Here's my take
I am friends with many guys, in fact, that's how I started life, playing with the neighborhood boys. I didn't have actual girlfriends until I was nearly 8 years old.

Today I am still friends in a platonic manner with many guys, for many reasons. Bill, my bagpiper friend from High School, who taught me to play chess, for example, is strictly a friend and there was never more there. In fact, he asked for his file one day (I keep files of correspondence and such from everyone important in my life), and he wrote "Absolutely no Fucking" on the front. Heheh! He wanted to make sure we knew what page we were on, and it had never entered into my mind with him.

Andrew, I met at volleyball in the 90's and we were always just friends. He was the one who gave me free computers, and fixed them etc., before he moved to Texas. He is the one person I know who would've been brave enough to have soldered a battery onto Katie's motherboard. But I digress.

These are examples, (and only two), of actual male friends that I share honest platonic relationships with.

As for the romance/sex aspect, I don't know about sex, having never had any with anyone other than John, but I can speak on romance and possibly sexuality, as well.

I had a dear friend named Jay, I was friends with him a long time from the Dr. Who club. He went into the service and called me monthly, and when he returned, he was engaged. I helped him get a house together while he waited to bring his bride over from France, and then on the Fourth Of July in 1987 he kissed me. It was shocking, but it was the first time I'd ever felt anything real about a kiss. We determined we were in love, and probably always had been and didn't know it.

We determined to remain friends. But it didn't work out for some time. In fact, we didn't rekindle our friendship until he was divorced, and I was engaged to R. That was tricky, because he still felt love, and so did I, despite trying not to, so I had to really be careful not to let that get acted upon. When R left, for the first time Jay and I were free to explore our relationship, but you know what? I'd finally fallen out of love with him. It took 16 years, but I had. But he hadn't. Regardless, the bottom line is that we tried to remain friends, but it was always touchy. You always wondered what was he thinking about, and were on guard. He got married again, and so did I. We're still friends, but it's still touchy... and I would never be alone with him ever, because I don't trust him to not act upon his feelings.

So to answer your question, yes, it's possible to have purely platonic friends where sex/romance never even enters into your mind (at least it never did with me where Bill and Andrew and many others were concerned), but it's trickier to stay friends with someone when there ever was love involved.

As for a crush, that's a little different too. There's a guy from college who still wishes we had been something back then. He calls now and then, he has a kid, and is divorced, etc. We're friends, but again, I would never be alone with him because he often wishes we had worked out. I never dated him, by the way, he just grabbed me in a car and kissed me, and well, freaked me out good. That was the extent of the "romance." He of course sees it much differently.

So each situation is different. If you have interests that are non-romantic and you build on those with the friend of the opposite sex, the friendship has a chance. If it was built on any kind of romantic spark, I'd have to say it's iffy.

Brenda

Edit: On another note, that's probably why I feel so comfortable on IWT, it's predominantly male. :)



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Expand Edited by Nightowl Oct. 6, 2005, 03:09:31 PM EDT
     Questions- - (bionerd) - (56)
         usually they hate me :-) - (boxley)
         Men and Women can be friends. - (imric)
         Of course men and women can be platonic friends - (Silverlock) - (11)
             The two are distinct, though highly correlated - (ben_tilly)
             Fantasies about grappling - (bionerd) - (9)
                 Did you really just ask that? - (drewk) - (1)
                     Yeah, at that standard - (jake123)
                 Still yes, IMO - (ben_tilly) - (2)
                     Well, romance is a social construct - (jake123) - (1)
                         Are you SURE? - (ben_tilly)
                 Not possible IMO - (Silverlock)
                 Only if one of them is asexual to start off with - (broomberg)
                 By definition . . . - (Andrew Grygus)
                 If the man is gay, yes. - (mmoffitt)
         Looking at it the wrong way - (drewk)
         Define Romantice Relationship - (jbrabeck)
         Answers - (ben_tilly)
         Re: Questions- - (Ashton)
         Haven't you watched Harry Met Sally? - (bepatient)
         Answers - (imqwerky)
         Well, having done it 4 or 5 times - maybe more . . . - (Andrew Grygus)
         Here's one opinion - (Nightowl)
         It's hard to divide affections. - (Another Scott) - (3)
             Harold did Maude - (imqwerky) - (2)
                 I've not seen the movie in its entirety. It's on The List. -NT - (Another Scott) - (1)
                     It's a great flick. - (imqwerky)
         Thanks for the feedback - (bionerd) - (27)
             I don't think it does have such power - (drewk)
             I'll disagree with Drew - (ben_tilly) - (4)
                 Remember, I prefaced everything with "when I was single" - (drewk) - (3)
                     That sounds like the CYA clause - (jake123) - (2)
                         She doesn't read this - (drewk) - (1)
                             No. Eyes are for ... - (folkert)
             Another thought - (drewk) - (19)
                 As long as we're on gross generalizations . . . . - (Andrew Grygus) - (7)
                     Want honesty? Check out the Russian Bride sites - (drewk) - (3)
                         Oh, when they say "generous" I assume they mean FAT -NT - (tuberculosis)
                         Havn't checked out any sites, but . . . - (Andrew Grygus) - (1)
                             Go for that one - (drewk)
                     I cant dispute your experiences - (bionerd) - (1)
                         Actually, my experiences aren't like that . . . - (Andrew Grygus)
                     Nicole's personal ad must be like that. - (Another Scott)
                 The "girls" are a bunch of therapists - (bionerd) - (10)
                     So why do you expect to find a man who *doesn't* notice? -NT - (drewk) - (5)
                         I dont. - (bionerd) - (4)
                             Okay, maybe you don't want it - (drewk) - (3)
                                 No it doesnt - (bionerd) - (2)
                                     You obviously don't understand DrewK's role here. - (folkert)
                                     No... no, that is definitely Drew's job. - (admin)
                     So then eyes, etc, ARE the "naughty bits" for your gang. -NT - (CRConrad) - (1)
                         The voice, don't forget the voice! - (imqwerky)
                     stealth sex - (boxley) - (1)
                         Diet Coke through the nose! -NT - (mmoffitt)
             Here's my take - (Nightowl)
         Re: Questions- - (ubernostrum) - (1)
             So, did he pass the test? -NT - (broomberg)

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