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Post #222,863 by bepatient 9/5/05 2:17:10 AM Reply	Sure. Obfuscate to protect the racist. Or do you >actually< have a doubt about this? >That< would be sad. If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. _{Fudd's First Law of Opposition} [link\|mailto:bepatient@aol.com\|BePatient]
Post #222,867 by Andrew Grygus 9/5/05 3:03:51 AM Reply	Well, Strom did plenty of obfuscating . . . . . but never denied his black daughter and provided money and support for her from childhood through college. He was also one of the first Congressmen to hire a black aid. I doubt W would have half that integrity. [link\|http://www.aaxnet.com\|AAx]
Post #222,902 by bepatient 9/5/05 12:17:52 PM Reply	So this justifies West's racism how, exactly? If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. _{Fudd's First Law of Opposition} [link\|mailto:bepatient@aol.com\|BePatient]
Post #222,904 by Andrew Grygus 9/5/05 12:26:36 PM Reply	Side comment only - justifies nothing. [link\|http://www.aaxnet.com\|AAx]
Post #222,911 by bepatient 9/5/05 12:50:21 PM Reply	Sorry, the type of behavior demonstrated by the young man really gets under my skin. And the fact that so many are willing to give it a pass (and worse that many aspiring to power share the behavior) seriously offends me. If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. _{Fudd's First Law of Opposition} [link\|mailto:bepatient@aol.com\|BePatient]

Living paycheck to paycheck made leaving impossible. - (Another Scott) - (111) - Sept. 3, 2005, 11:31:55 PM EDT

Wonder how many folks like these - (Ashton) - (109) - Sept. 4, 2005, 03:07:55 AM EDT

78% Kerry - (altmann) - (108) - Sept. 4, 2005, 05:20:12 AM EDT

Oooh good source - thanks. - (Ashton) - (107) - Sept. 4, 2005, 06:24:10 AM EDT

Go ahead. - (bepatient) - (106) - Sept. 4, 2005, 12:13:00 PM EDT

Yeah, they said that about Strom Thrurmond too - (Ashton) - (5) - Sept. 4, 2005, 03:14:39 PM EDT

Sure. - (bepatient) - (4) - Sept. 5, 2005, 02:17:10 AM EDT

Well, Strom did plenty of obfuscating . . . - (Andrew Grygus) - (3) - Sept. 5, 2005, 03:03:51 AM EDT

So this justifies West's racism how, exactly? -NT - (bepatient) - (2) - Sept. 5, 2005, 12:17:52 PM EDT

Side comment only - justifies nothing. -NT - (Andrew Grygus) - (1) - Sept. 5, 2005, 12:26:36 PM EDT

Sorry, the type of behavior demonstrated by the young man - (bepatient) - Sept. 5, 2005, 12:50:21 PM EDT

No, that's not what he said - (jake123) - (99) - Sept. 4, 2005, 03:22:23 PM EDT

Is it? - (bepatient) - (98) - Sept. 5, 2005, 02:19:25 AM EDT

I just checked - (jake123) - (97) - Sept. 5, 2005, 02:56:43 AM EDT

And that statement is less racist, how? - (bepatient) - (39) - Sept. 5, 2005, 12:16:29 PM EDT

Emphatic disagreement - (ben_tilly) - (38) - Sept. 5, 2005, 01:51:30 PM EDT

Exactly - (jake123) - Sept. 5, 2005, 02:28:55 PM EDT

Disagree all you like - (bepatient) - (36) - Sept. 5, 2005, 03:43:27 PM EDT

He's most definitely not a cracker - (jake123) - Sept. 5, 2005, 03:44:16 PM EDT

I'll point to something specific - (ben_tilly) - (23) - Sept. 6, 2005, 04:48:07 AM EDT

Interesting counterpoint to... - (bepatient) - (22) - Sept. 6, 2005, 03:56:10 PM EDT

Point missed again: it's the Poor Ones as fly well under his - (Ashton) - Sept. 6, 2005, 04:19:47 PM EDT

BeeP calculus: - (jb4) - (17) - Sept. 6, 2005, 06:36:23 PM EDT

Methinks you've lost count. - (bepatient) - (16) - Sept. 6, 2005, 08:28:41 PM EDT

There is no education cabinet minister - (ben_tilly) - (15) - Sept. 6, 2005, 08:52:47 PM EDT

No, there's a Dept of Education - (bepatient) - (14) - Sept. 6, 2005, 10:09:38 PM EDT

There seems to be a miscommunication or three - (ben_tilly) - (13) - Sept. 7, 2005, 01:23:14 AM EDT

Yes, was looking for ~ those words; especially re 'sane'. -NT - (Ashton) - Sept. 7, 2005, 02:34:38 AM EDT

Ummmmmm . . . . . can you point me to . . . - (Andrew Grygus) - Sept. 7, 2005, 03:32:34 AM EDT

Ok - (bepatient) - (10) - Sept. 7, 2005, 10:23:30 AM EDT

Can not let This sleeping-dog er.. Lie: - (Ashton) - (2) - Sept. 7, 2005, 05:39:14 PM EDT

Difference? - (bepatient) - (1) - Sept. 7, 2005, 06:36:35 PM EDT

Vying for Mr. Objective Morality #2, here? with marlowe.. -NT - (Ashton) - Sept. 7, 2005, 07:05:04 PM EDT

Feel free... - (ben_tilly) - (6) - Sept. 7, 2005, 07:39:55 PM EDT

couple of swings at the choice point ball if you please - (boxley) - (2) - Sept. 7, 2005, 07:48:37 PM EDT

Well said. -NT - (Another Scott) - Sept. 7, 2005, 08:05:18 PM EDT

If you want... - (ben_tilly) - Sept. 7, 2005, 11:04:30 PM EDT

You can be open minded. - (bepatient) - (2) - Sept. 8, 2005, 01:29:56 AM EDT

Let's go back to that comment then, shall we? - (ben_tilly) - (1) - Sept. 8, 2005, 02:37:15 AM EDT

And so all is forigiven. - (bepatient) - Sept. 8, 2005, 08:48:00 AM EDT

Go back a couple of posts - (ben_tilly) - (2) - Sept. 6, 2005, 07:20:56 PM EDT

So you think that West... - (bepatient) - (1) - Sept. 6, 2005, 08:41:42 PM EDT

I don't think that West thought this through - (ben_tilly) - Sept. 6, 2005, 09:19:50 PM EDT

"The haves and the have-mores." - (mmoffitt) - (2) - Sept. 6, 2005, 09:35:15 AM EDT

His "base"? - (pwhysall) - (1) - Sept. 6, 2005, 10:01:37 AM EDT

That'll be 1,000 points for Peter. ;0) -NT - (mmoffitt) - Sept. 6, 2005, 10:02:24 AM EDT

It's OK, Bill...You can still like the Berk if you want. - (jb4) - (7) - Sept. 6, 2005, 02:26:37 PM EDT

How easy it is... - (bepatient) - (6) - Sept. 6, 2005, 03:21:36 PM EDT

NO, it seems that the only thing that DOES float with you... - (jb4) - (5) - Sept. 6, 2005, 03:46:41 PM EDT

I see. - (bepatient) - (4) - Sept. 6, 2005, 03:49:52 PM EDT

Your assertion has been inspected, dissected and - (Ashton) - (2) - Sept. 6, 2005, 04:30:18 PM EDT

I see you are suffering greatly... - (bepatient) - (1) - Sept. 6, 2005, 08:30:32 PM EDT

Ah, desperation: the PTA exchange Red-Herring - (Ashton) - Sept. 7, 2005, 02:47:30 AM EDT

I learn from a Master ... :-\ufffd -NT - (jb4) - Sept. 6, 2005, 06:39:01 PM EDT

Naw, george doesnt care about poor people - (boxley) - (56) - Sept. 5, 2005, 02:00:17 PM EDT

You got that right. - (imqwerky) - (55) - Sept. 5, 2005, 02:07:41 PM EDT

I love naivite. - (bepatient) - (54) - Sept. 5, 2005, 03:44:42 PM EDT

Nah - ya likes to toss out simplistic digital slogans - (Ashton) - (6) - Sept. 5, 2005, 04:27:33 PM EDT

Not that I expected differently. - (bepatient) - (5) - Sept. 5, 2005, 05:34:44 PM EDT

GAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH. - (mmoffitt) - (4) - Sept. 6, 2005, 09:37:05 AM EDT

its always trickle down, donja recognise the amonia smell? -NT - (boxley) - (3) - Sept. 6, 2005, 09:41:47 AM EDT

Ah, the 'tinkle-down' yellow stuff: THAT ammonia. Parfait. - (Ashton) - (2) - Sept. 6, 2005, 04:41:05 PM EDT

It's water-, not cream-based - I'd think that'd be a sorbet. -NT - (CRConrad) - (1) - Sept. 6, 2005, 04:55:48 PM EDT

:-\ufffd -NT - (Ashton) - Sept. 6, 2005, 05:16:52 PM EDT

only if the haves leave their stuff behind - (boxley) - (1) - Sept. 5, 2005, 05:02:48 PM EDT

Interesting case in point, I suppose. - (bepatient) - Sept. 5, 2005, 05:35:52 PM EDT

Naive my arse! - (imqwerky) - (44) - Sept. 5, 2005, 06:04:55 PM EDT

The only way to revive - (bepatient) - (43) - Sept. 5, 2005, 06:24:42 PM EDT

Your only form of exercise: jumping to conclusions. - (imqwerky) - (5) - Sept. 5, 2005, 07:00:29 PM EDT

Re: Your only form of exercise: jumping to conclusions. - (bepatient) - (4) - Sept. 5, 2005, 07:21:50 PM EDT

The Red Staters got what they wanted - (imqwerky) - (3) - Sept. 5, 2005, 11:03:27 PM EDT

Nope... - (bepatient) - Sept. 5, 2005, 11:11:31 PM EDT

Aside from_____All__That__Relocation - - - - - (Ashton) - (1) - Sept. 6, 2005, 12:01:27 AM EDT

ooooh, what a cut, calling beep a microbowb -NT - (boxley) - Sept. 6, 2005, 09:33:35 AM EDT

OTOH - (jake123) - Sept. 5, 2005, 07:02:21 PM EDT

Methinks you have way too blind an eye to that last \ufffd - (Ashton) - Sept. 5, 2005, 07:45:59 PM EDT

... - (imric) - Sept. 5, 2005, 09:20:12 PM EDT

You seem rather naive - (Andrew Grygus) - (10) - Sept. 5, 2005, 09:22:13 PM EDT

And so... - (bepatient) - (8) - Sept. 5, 2005, 09:31:39 PM EDT

Against all odds. - (Andrew Grygus) - (1) - Sept. 5, 2005, 10:57:07 PM EDT

Re: Against all odds. - (bepatient) - Sept. 5, 2005, 10:51:15 PM EDT

And thus you demonstrate, One More Time - (Ashton) - (1) - Sept. 5, 2005, 09:52:39 PM EDT

*nudge* - (imric) - Sept. 5, 2005, 10:00:49 PM EDT

Bah. - (imric) - (1) - Sept. 5, 2005, 09:59:10 PM EDT

Then we'd have to face inherited Empires - (Ashton) - Sept. 5, 2005, 10:27:42 PM EDT

perhaps a few ideas - (boxley) - Sept. 5, 2005, 10:41:05 PM EDT

<Sigh> (new thread) - (Another Scott) - Sept. 5, 2005, 11:18:15 PM EDT

Zope mucked the new addy in Econ - gotta alter header. -NT - (Ashton) - Sept. 6, 2005, 12:14:57 AM EDT

What you remind me of... - (ben_tilly) - (9) - Sept. 6, 2005, 05:05:16 AM EDT

Thats all well and good - (bepatient) - (8) - Sept. 6, 2005, 09:02:55 AM EDT

The 'middle class' does not require massive manufacturing. - (Andrew Grygus) - (7) - Sept. 6, 2005, 10:42:02 AM EDT

Trade and Commerce - (bepatient) - (5) - Sept. 6, 2005, 01:54:42 PM EDT

Sure they do - (drewk) - (2) - Sept. 6, 2005, 02:16:59 PM EDT

I forgot that part. - (bepatient) - Sept. 6, 2005, 03:04:40 PM EDT

I suspect that a monomolecular coat of Superglue keeps the - (Ashton) - Sept. 6, 2005, 05:12:43 PM EDT

Trade and Commerce in todays world - (boxley) - Sept. 6, 2005, 03:22:15 PM EDT

No, the trade that built the middle class . . - (Andrew Grygus) - Sept. 6, 2005, 03:38:29 PM EDT

Dupe -NT - (bepatient) - Sept. 6, 2005, 01:55:20 PM EDT

Yes, and how many middle class wage-paying jobs... - (jb4) - (12) - Sept. 6, 2005, 02:32:06 PM EDT

Dunno about wage level - (bepatient) - (11) - Sept. 6, 2005, 03:23:47 PM EDT

A million manufacturing jobs created? Who YOU crappin'? -NT - (jb4) - (1) - Sept. 6, 2005, 03:49:55 PM EDT

actually - (bepatient) - Sept. 6, 2005, 03:58:51 PM EDT

Don't go there, Bill. It's out of line. - (imric) - (8) - Sept. 6, 2005, 04:03:21 PM EDT

Yabut he's Our pet troglodyte. - (Ashton) - (6) - Sept. 6, 2005, 05:06:15 PM EDT

Actually - (imric) - (5) - Sept. 6, 2005, 05:54:10 PM EDT

Re: Actually - (Ashton) - (4) - Sept. 6, 2005, 07:04:42 PM EDT

HIS troll bait? - (imric) - (3) - Sept. 6, 2005, 09:14:27 PM EDT

;=) - (bepatient) - Sept. 6, 2005, 10:10:56 PM EDT

Troll 'bait' can be switched: works OK on you. - (Ashton) - (1) - Sept. 7, 2005, 12:13:19 AM EDT

Hook sometimes taken...sometimes grazes the side. -NT - (bepatient) - Sept. 7, 2005, 10:24:52 AM EDT

I don't - (bepatient) - Sept. 6, 2005, 08:33:34 PM EDT

Never any doubt. - (bepatient) - Sept. 4, 2005, 12:16:21 PM EDT

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