I also haven't been trampled by any elephants since 9/11

Post #110,926 by drewk 7/22/03 3:12:06 PM Reply	I also haven't been trampled by any elephants since 9/11 I guess those airport security measures are working really well. What? You say the airport security measures have nothing whatsoever to do with my not getting trampled by an elephant? But it hasn't happened since they started those security procedures. Get it? === Implicitly condoning stupidity since 2001.
Post #110,960 by jb4 7/22/03 5:53:18 PM Reply	ROFL! jb4 The difference between Confidence and Ego is that Confidence has respect, while Ego does not. Candyce Burns (my wife)
Post #111,014 by Nightowl 7/22/03 10:29:29 PM Reply	Re: I also haven't been trampled by any elephants since 9/11 I guess those airport security measures are working really well. What? You say the airport security measures have nothing whatsoever to do with my not getting trampled by an elephant? But it hasn't happened since they started those security procedures. Get it? Honestly? No I don't get it. Because as I tried to explain in my previous post, I was afraid of crashing airplanes after 9/11. I haven't been given reason to be afraid of elephants trampling me, like I was given reason to be afraid of planes crashing into buildings. Get it? Nightowl >8# Implicitly condoning stupidity since 2001. "I learned to be the door, instead of the mat!" Comment by Nightowl
Post #111,019 by boxley 7/22/03 10:48:29 PM Reply	Why are you afraid of crashing Airplanes? Some nutbag stands up screaming Allah is going to kill us all no one is going to wait around to have the pilot handle it. He/She is going to be killed by the women who's husband is cheating on her and she knows it the guy whose back has been kicked by a little kid 3 thousand times in the last minute the guy jammed between 2 300 pounders the lady whose nipple was examined with hoots and grunts by dumass securityt folks the granny who only wants to get to see her grandkids one more time me who has a legitimate reason to murder someone with their bare handsbecause I was was delayed for 16 hrs due to fuckwits who run security. guess what, plane lands safely. terrorist might live long nough for tial. thanx, bill questions, help? [link\|mailto:pappas@catholic.org\|email pappas at catholic.org]
Post #111,026 by Nightowl 7/22/03 11:07:17 PM Reply	Re: Why are you afraid of crashing Airplanes? Well, I didn't understand most of your post or why it was relevant, sorry. But I was afraid of airplanes crashing into my house because they crashed into the Twin Towers. Didn't matter how illogical it was that a plane would choose my house to crash into, nonetheless, that is where my fears after 9/11 manifested themselves. Since most of your post talked about the people on the plane that would crash, I don't know how it applies to me, sorry. I was simply afraid of one crashing into my house. Nightowl >8# "I learned to be the door, instead of the mat!" Comment by Nightowl
Post #111,030 by Another Scott 7/22/03 11:17:47 PM Reply	Boxish to English translation. "Why are you concerned about someone hijacking a plane and crashing it into a building? Since 9/11, if someone attempts to hijack a plane, no passenger is going to sit idly by and let the pilot and crew handle the situation. The hijacker would be attacked by the angry passengers. If the hijacker is lucky, he or she might survive the ordeal long enough to stand trial." Thus (by my inference of boxley's post), you're safer now than you were before 9/11 due to increased vigilance by your fellow passengers - not due to the actions or statements by Department of Homeland Security. HTH. Cheers, Scott.
Post #111,040 by Nightowl 7/22/03 11:59:22 PM Reply	Re: Boxish to English translation. Thus (by my inference of boxley's post), you're safer now than you were before 9/11 due to increased vigilance by your fellow passengers - not due to the actions or statements by Department of Homeland Security. I agree Scott, the passengers who stop the hijackers are also part of the "placebo" concept. Basically, knowing anything whatsoever is being done to change the circumstances which led to 9/11 helps to ease my mind. And just for a moment, think in terms of the hijackers. Maybe they are also deterred not only by the security measures in place, but also the fact that now they might have to deal with angry passengers bent on stopping them. It all adds up one piece at a time to be one more protective measure. Nightowl >8# "I learned to be the door, instead of the mat!" Comment by Nightowl
Post #111,033 by boxley 7/22/03 11:22:00 PM Reply	Well do you cower in fear that cars, and cows crash into your house? Everytime you here a siren do you crawl under the bed in case it is chasing a criminal into your abode? When you here strange noises do you quickly grab a shotgun, jack a shell into the chamber and start hunting strangers? Fear is a good thing, it keeps us alive. Irrational fear invoked by strange events needs to be analysed and statistically evaluated as rational or hysteria. Your chances of a plane landing on your house is much greaater by pilots who suffer a heart attack in a small plane than terrorists aiming at you. So please explain why your irrational fear of terrorists require me to kiss some govt flunkies ass to get where I am going. Not picking on you, just trying to have you think unintended consequences. thanx, bill questions, help? [link\|mailto:pappas@catholic.org\|email pappas at catholic.org]
Post #111,044 by Nightowl 7/23/03 12:12:50 AM Reply	Re: Well do you cower in fear that cars, and cows crash into your house? Everytime you here a siren do you crawl under the bed in case it is chasing a criminal into your abode? When you here strange noises do you quickly grab a shotgun, jack a shell into the chamber and start hunting strangers? Do you want an honest answer, because you might not like it. Yes, sirens make me jump. Loud cars make me jump. I don't crawl under the bed, but my heart pounds. I don't own a gun, but if I hear a noise, I check it out. I was taught to be afraid, which is a bad thing. My father moved here to St. Louis from a country town where you threw your front door open and had no fear of your neighbors or anything else. He was so paranoid upon moving here he promptly instilled fear in his children based on his own fear. He didn't mean to, and I know that now, but I've fought against it for years, only making little breakthroughs and thinking I've won, to have something else new take me back two steps. Fear is a good thing, it keeps us alive. Irrational fear invoked by strange events needs to be analysed and statistically evaluated as rational or hysteria. Your chances of a plane landing on your house is much greaater by pilots who suffer a heart attack in a small plane than terrorists aiming at you. So please explain why your irrational fear of terrorists require me to kiss some govt flunkies ass to get where I am going. Not picking on you, just trying to have you think unintended consequences. Fear is a good thing if it is in moderation, and not in the form of panic. I agree there. I also know my fear of a plane crashing into my house was irrational. I stated that. I also dealt with my counselor about it in great detail. Unfortunately, it was a major thing, 9/11 and it invoked many irrational fears in many people, not just me. I don't require you to do anything, I simply said the extra security measures give me some degree of comfort. I know you aren't picking on me, I know you want me to think about it. But I have. I thought about planes, planes crashing, air safety, 9/11 for months and months before I was finally able to get past it and live normally. Maybe I have too much trust in the people who are there to protect us, but I'd rather trust them than fear them, if that makes any sense. I deal with my fears, every day, of many things. And I've come a long way, really, in some of them. But the trauma of 9/11 still remains one of the worst things I've encountered, and seen and lived through, and I suspect it always will, unless I live to see something inherently worse. Nightowl >8# "I learned to be the door, instead of the mat!" Comment by Nightowl

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