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New Re: But what do people get upset at you about?
They want you to be more damned assertive.


Nah, actually they want me to look the other way and pretend they aren't doing things they are doing like lying about me, sneaking around and hurting people.

Tell a couple of your critics to butt out and see what happens. I guarantee that no injury will be caused (unless a couple of geeks falling out of their chairs in surprise). I'll bet that several people will react very well.


Well I started being more assertive recently, as of about a year ago, and it shook some people up, trust me. Some people reacted well, as in, hey, it's about time you stood up for yourself. Others, well they were furious that I changed.

If you think that I'm off base, just tell me off and see what happens!


I don't think you're off base completely, but I don't think it's about being assertive, more like being honest. They can't stand me when I catch them doing something wrong, or when I uphold my morals it seems.

Nightowl >8#
"Only dead fish swim with the stream."
Linda Ellerbee
New I was talking about people around here
I have NFC how people on other forums feel. But we tend to like to see people do something more than just complain about their lives.

Ben
"good ideas and bad code build communities, the other three combinations do not"
- [link|http://archives.real-time.com/pipermail/cocoon-devel/2000-October/003023.html|Stefano Mazzocchi]
New Re: I was talking about people around here
I have NFC how people on other forums feel. But we tend to like to see people do something more than just complain about their lives.


Ah, I'm sorry, I misunderstood you then. Well, the person in question pretty much does just that, 24-7, complains about his life. And honestly, I got sick of it, although that isn't what made me cut him out of my life.

I have tried to change my life, I used to be someone who complained about my life all the time, was depressed, leaned on everyone, and now I've been trying to change that for years, and feel I've been fairly successful.

If you feel I was complaining here, I apologize, I mostly was addressing the concept of flaming and applying it to my life. :)

Nightowl >8#

"Only dead fish swim with the stream."
Linda Ellerbee
New No need to apologize about talking past each other
In fact I would suggest that the next thing for you to work on could be stopping apologizing about things that aren't your fault.

Reminds me of a joke about Canadians. (I can tell those because I am one. As opposed to Americans who can tell them because they don't care. I'm one of those as well...)

Q: How do you get a Canadian to apologize?
A: Step on his foot!

To which I add.

Q: How do you get Nightowl to apologize?
A: Get her to talk!

Are you familiar with the song, [link|http://www.sing365.com/music/lyric.nsf/SongUnid/C782DE0092CBA28E48256960001006A4|I am what I am]? Get it, listen to it a few times, and take it to heart.

Cheers,
Ben
"good ideas and bad code build communities, the other three combinations do not"
- [link|http://archives.real-time.com/pipermail/cocoon-devel/2000-October/003023.html|Stefano Mazzocchi]
New Re: No need to apologize about talking past each other
Hmmm what is "talking past each other? Not understanding one another? Just confused, I never heard of that phrase.

In fact I would suggest that the next thing for you to work on could be stopping apologizing about things that aren't your fault.


Yeah, I know, I take the guilt for a lot of things I shouldn't. ;) I'm trying hard to learn not to, but when you've been a doormat for so long it's not an easy thing to learn right off the bat. :)

Reminds me of a joke about Canadians. (I can tell those because I am one. As opposed to Americans who can tell them because they don't care. I'm one of those as well...)


Q: How do you get a Canadian to apologize?


A: Step on his foot!


To which I add.


Q: How do you get Nightowl to apologize?


A: Get her to talk!


Hehehe, that's funny, but usually true. :) Just make her wonder, and she'll apologize!!!

Are you familiar with the song, [link|http://www.sing365.com/music/lyric.nsf/SongUnid/C782DE0092CBA28E48256960001006A4|I am what I am]? Get it, listen to it a few times, and take it to heart.


Never heard of it, I'll have to figure out what it is and find it somehow, I don't play MP3s or anything like that on my computer. :)

Nightowl >8#
"Only dead fish swim with the stream."
Linda Ellerbee
New I Am What I am ( was Re: No need to apologize)
Peeked at the lyrics though, very good song. :)

Nightowl >8#
"Only dead fish swim with the stream."
Linda Ellerbee
     It FUCKING WELL WASN'T "in response to [your] post"... - (CRConrad) - (35)
         My, we are a grumpy bastard. - (bepatient) - (34)
             Re: My, we are a grumpy bastard. - (Nightowl) - (33)
                 Stop being fluffy... - (pwhysall) - (32)
                     Re: Stop being fluffy... - (Nightowl) - (31)
                         Hang around here and IT WILL HAVE TO BECOME YOUR STYLE! -NT - (mmoffitt) - (21)
                             Re: Hang around here and IT WILL HAVE TO BECOME YOUR STYLE! - (Nightowl) - (20)
                                 Think of it as a second language... - (hnick) - (19)
                                     Re: Think of it as a second language... - (Nightowl) - (18)
                                         But what do people get upset at you about? - (ben_tilly) - (17)
                                             Re: But what do people get upset at you about? - (orion) - (9)
                                                 Re: But what do people get upset at you about? - (Nightowl)
                                                 I'm not mad about your cussing me out - (ben_tilly) - (7)
                                                     Would somebody fucking FLAME SOMEONE already? - (drewk) - (6)
                                                         ? -NT - (admin)
                                                         Of course not, asshole - (ben_tilly) - (4)
                                                             I forgot, you're Canadian - (drewk) - (3)
                                                                 Some victory - (ben_tilly) - (2)
                                                                     Remember it? Hell I've got *pictures* - (drewk) - (1)
                                                                         I hope someone got good blackmail money for them :-P -NT - (ben_tilly)
                                             Re: But what do people get upset at you about? - (Nightowl) - (5)
                                                 I was talking about people around here - (ben_tilly) - (4)
                                                     Re: I was talking about people around here - (Nightowl) - (3)
                                                         No need to apologize about talking past each other - (ben_tilly) - (2)
                                                             Re: No need to apologize about talking past each other - (Nightowl) - (1)
                                                                 I Am What I am ( was Re: No need to apologize) - (Nightowl)
                                             After some thought, Ben... (new thread) - (Nightowl)
                         Gosh.. I missed a whole Fluffy Purple Dinosaur Flamewar :( - (Ashton) - (8)
                             dont you be fucking raggin my shoes!!! :-) - (boxley) - (1)
                                 OK. We now return you to our regularly scheduled -NT - (Ashton)
                             No idea what you mean ( was Re: Gosh.. I missed a ...) - (Nightowl) - (5)
                                 Neither does anyone else. I wouldn't worry about it. -NT - (bepatient)
                                 OK. I failed. No big deal. Change to owls. - (Ashton)
                                 "talking past each other" - (static) - (2)
                                     Exactly - (ben_tilly) - (1)
                                         Re: Exactly - (Nightowl)

4 out of 5 of you would be spending most of your time in night court.
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