Your point is clear & reasonable
You are quite rightly asking people, when Germany gets mentioned, to take into account the deeds exposed during and later in WW2.
I support the argument that says US plans for Iraqi people are far more benevolent than what 3rd Reich had in store for its subjugated peoples (a case when deeds speak clearly louder than words).
I also understand what is being said when others bring up the spectre of proxy killings & mayhem that are occuring in areas of conflict that US is involved in. I firmly believe that US participants did know what those Northern commanders were doing to Taliban prisoners (esp imported foreigners) when they were loaded into shipping containers & sent on long one way journeys.
What I have observed from US friends (to name a *tiny* few) Ferdinand Marcos, Gen Suharto, and on to Nicaragua's (Ollie North's murderous S-of-F) Contras, is that we have perfected the art of proxy murder & mayhem to new heights & can freely wash our hands of it in the eyes of the moral majority that support us.
To be quite fair, the Ruskies practised proxy warring esp through Cuba.
By 1939, the Nazi Germans had perfected new levels of propagandising the masses to accept what they wanted them to. Gobbels has gone down in history as a master of propaganda. At the time, few would have made an issue of his skills because at the time we didn't fully comprehend what he was achieving. History is wonderful at simplifying how the past happened. The Nazis had improved quite dramatically over earlier eras where propaganda was practised as a means to win the hearts & minds of citizenry.
I have read credible assesments of how to this day we speak of the Spanish Inquisitors as bestial torturers when combined evidence tends to show it as a propaganda campaign against the Spanish Catholic throne at a time when Spain dominated Europe and ruled much of the new world (Spanish Main) and also when printing presses were a new means of spreading words to masses of people by way of posters (not all could read them but it only took one who could). Dominant evidence shows that so called 'heritics' were more brutally tortured & murdered in Germany, France & UK at the time the Spanish were conducting comparitively civilised imprisonment & trials of similar peoples.
Point I ma wanting to make is that some people here are arguing that US has perfected propaganda to even more sophisticated heights than the Nazis achieved & that proxy mayhem allows us to continue to believe that 'we' are behaving civilly
when others aren't.
This is an issue we need to understand & deal with.
Thanks
Doug
Spectres from our past: Beware the future when your children & theirs come after you for what you may have been willing to condone today - dsm 2003
Motivational: When performing activities, ask yourself if the person you most want to be would do, or say, it - dsm 2003
